Sutherland, TX Massacre: Update - Terrorist escaped mental facility 2012; threatened USAF officers

[Berniewood Hogan]

What Explains U.S. Mass Shootings? International Comparisons Suggest an Answer

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/us/devin-kelley-texas-church-shooting-suspect/index.html

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

Conservative writer: God was ‘answering prayers’ of Texas victims by letting them get shot

Hans Fiene, a Lutheran pastor who is also a regular contributor to the right-wing website The Federalist, has written a new column in which he explains that allowing 26 people to die at the hands of a crazed gunman at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, this weekend was actually God’s way of answering their prayers.

Fiene begins his column by attacking liberals who have mocked Republican politicians who only offer “thoughts and prayers” for shooting victims — and who don’t take any direct action that could prevent future shootings.

He then explains to liberals that it was part of God’s plan that over two dozen people would get shot up while in their own house of worship.

“It may seem, on the surface, that God was refusing to give such protection to his Texan children,” he writes. “But we are also praying that God would deliver us from evil eternally. Through these same words, we are asking God to deliver us out of this evil world and into his heavenly glory, where no violence, persecution, cruelty, or hatred will ever afflict us again.”

Fiene then says that, in order to fully defeat evil eternally, God has to let evil get some temporary victories, such as this weekend’s mass shooting.

“So when a madman with a rifle sought to persecute the faithful at First Baptist Church on Sunday morning, he failed,” Fiene says. “Just like those who put Christ to death, and just like those who have brought violence to believers in every generation, this man only succeeded in being the means through which God delivered his children from this evil world into an eternity of righteousness and peace.”

Conservative writer: God was ‘answering prayers’ of Texas victims by letting them get shot

Some people ain't shyt. This is one of them.

 

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[tru_m.a.c]

The gunman who killed more than two dozen people in a small church outside San Antonio on Sunday had a string of troubling episodes in recent years, including an escape from a mental health facility in 2012 after he was caught sneaking guns onto an Air Force base “attempting to carry out death threats” against military superiors, according to a police report.

 

[Mr Rager]

This is dangerous
The praise this guy gets is just going to embolden these vigilante gun nuts

 

[DEAD7]

You asked this same question when the Vegas shooting happened and we provided multiple links detailing suggestions. I also explained that the worst option is doing nothing, which happens to be the status quo of your side.



I feel like you do this every time a shooting happens. A simple google search would save a lot of your questions.

None of the regulations presented would have prevented the incident they were proposed in response to.
I'm asking for a specific regulation in this case that would have prevented this
@NY's #1 Draft Pick How exactly is that trolling?

 

[DEAD7]

How about auditing our background system to see how the AF failed to report and to see if there are any checks and balances (signals/kanbans) that are in place to ensure the accuracy of data in the background check. Image if it is discovered there hundreds of people with violent records owning guns.

I'm all for making the system in place work better/function properly.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

America will never admit the 2nd amendment may eventually destroy us.

Have you ever seen a more obvious twitter bot?

 

[Cole Cash]

i got fukking railroaded in the air force on some stupid shyt, while i got an honorable discharge, the LOR i eat was straight bullshyt, and dudes i knew, nikkas i served with in wartime got handed harsher sentences for weaker shyt in retrospect then this bytch ass nikka for breaking his baby skull. i guess being black or latino just adds years no matter where you at in america

 

[Gus Money]

None of the regulations presented would have prevented the incident they were proposed in response to.
I'm asking for a specific regulation in this case that would have prevented this
@NY's #1 Draft Pick How exactly is that trolling?

I know what you're asking, it just seems like another disingenuous question. You're trying to say that gun control is pointless because this guy still obtained a gun when he should have been banned from having one, but that's not how it works.

No solution is perfect, but only one side uses that to argue against doing anything at all. Reducing the number of guns and making it harder to obtain them will logically lead to less guns available to unstable people. Which then leads to less gun deaths overall.

It's that simple but we know people will always slip through the cracks. That's not a good enough reason to just throw your hands up and do nothing.

 

[DEAD7]

I know what you're asking, it just seems like another disingenuous question. You're trying to say that gun control is pointless because this guy still obtained a gun when he should have been banned from having one, but that's not how it works.

No solution is perfect, but only one side uses that to argue against doing anything at all. Reducing the number of guns and making it harder to obtain them will logically lead to less guns available to unstable people. Which then leads to less gun deaths overall.

It's that simple but we know people will always slip through the cracks. That's not a good enough reason to just throw your hands up and do nothing.

It isnt pointless, and we havent done "nothing"... We have regulations in place that do check mental health. Those regulations just failed in this instance because someone didnt do their job... Adding more gun control because someone didnt do their job instead of holding that person/organization accountable seems like anti gun bullshyt to me.

 

[DEAD7]

i got fukking railroaded in the air force on some stupid shyt, while i got an honorable discharge, the LOR i eat was straight bullshyt, and dudes i knew, nikkas i served with in wartime got handed harsher sentences for weaker shyt in retrospect then this bytch ass nikka for breaking his baby skull. i guess being black or latino just adds years no matter where you at in america

I served and can say with 100% certainty you fukked up badly somewhere in there.

 

[Cole Cash]

I served and can say with 100% certainty you fukked up badly somewhere in there.

I often look past some of stupid shyt you say and im not into beefing especially here. but let me go ahead and go in.

At the time, i was at F.E Warren AFB doing WSA duty and patrol, in our armory shyt went missing. all kinds of equipment. Who did they question within the flight? nearly every black and latino person first, (i had a friend at the LE desk on that base who would leak investigation details to me). Next thing you know, this one bytch ass nikka tells investigators that "i had something from the armory in my room". I get my gun card taken away and i have to get a JAG so i can be questioned. Im off duty in a transitional flight because of it.

You know what i had from the armory? a 3$ mini airhorn, one you can fit in your pocket that me and a combat arms bae and i were fukking with. I named her and she then goes on my behalf and confirms thats exactly why it was in my room. I still got administrative action, and among other things, it became an issue that i was going to the "life skills" center. since "you served" im not telling you what all this shyt is since you fukking know everything, but basically afterward a few officers 2 of whom i knew in afgahnistan tried to lobby that i was no longer stable and could be lying.

well you know where that equipment was? this one whiteboy had taken it and had it shipped to his moms house back in georgia. investigation ends, but some of the guys they questioned were getting hit up for other non related shyt. coincidence they were all people of color?

el oh el

lets not even get into how my boy got a article 15 for an ALLEGED fight at a club off base, but one of my good friends who used to let me drive his truck in the snow when i wasnt trying to walk to duty, was stopped on his motorcycle for speeding, then proceeded to peel off, then broke a police barracade on the freeway. he then did 7 days in jail, and what did he get? a fukking LOR and extra duty. nothing else. you take a guess what race these two individuals are.


go fukk yourself.

the point is, a baby skull gets smashed in and he gets a year? fukk that and fukk him

 

[Gus Money]

It isnt pointless, and we havent done "nothing"... We have regulations in place that do check mental health. Those regulations just failed in this instance because someone didnt do their job... Adding more gun control because someone didnt do their job instead of holding that person/organization accountable seems like anti gun bullshyt to me.

As I said, this guy slipping through the cracks doesn't do anything to argue against gun control.

Every other developed country has stricter gun control and mass shootings aren't an issue. Those at facts. You can argue all day about how the US is different but the regulations that we do have in place haven't stopped this from occurring.

Throwing out hands up and looking for reasons against changing the situation isn't going to help.

 

[David_TheMan]

USAF didn't put his dishonorable discharge in the national federal background check, so those wringing their hands need to realize human error strikes again.
The safegaurds were in place, the USAF didn't do its job in uploading and listing him, the state of TExas did check him though, another argument against federal centralized listing if anything.