Swap Dirk for Garnett and assume everything else stays in place....

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At their best, KG was slightly more valuable than Dirk. Sports fans get shyt twisted because Dirk was a one dimensional player that was capable of getting shut down until late in his career. Dirk's late career was much better than KG, but KG's prime was amazing. His defense is overlooked in that era because it was not flashy but it was effective. People started placing Dirk over KG in 2011 because memories are short and KG's drop off was drastic.

Ive felt Dirk been better since 06ish imo
 

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But Jason Kidd and Terry and others were locking down the defense that playoffs.

Dirk was the lead anchor on offense. 10 feet out, in the paint sometimes, midrange, and from 3 pt. KG wasn't an offensive anchor like that...keep it 100

04' Pistons didn't have anybody "anchoring" the offense too, and like it or not, KG was a versatille offensive weapon who would improve their defense by a mile. With a frontcourt of Chandler and KG, with Shawn Marion and Kidd on the wings, you can't tell me this is not a championship team, specially with Carlisle coaching, Lebron playing like shyt and the Heat having to rely on Wade who's a slasher, against a frontcourt like that. People mention Dirk carrying but they forget how good their ball movement was in that series, Jason Terry never shot as many open 3's in his career.
 

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04' Pistons didn't have anybody "anchoring" the offense too, and like it or not, KG was a versatille offensive weapon who would improve their defense by a mile. With a frontcourt of Chandler and KG, with Shawn Marion and Kidd on the wings, you can't tell me this is not a championship team, specially with Carlisle coaching, Lebron playing like shyt and the Heat having to rely on Wade who's a slasher, against a frontcourt like that. People mention Dirk carrying but they forget how good their ball movement was in that series, Jason Terry never shot as many open 3's in his career.

breh, Dirk was a zone that playoffs, especially as the Finals neared.

It was just a team of destiny if such could exist. KG wasn't hitting those shots from that distance in those situations.

Would KG have won on 06 Mavs? Maybe a better case can be made there. But not 2011
 

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Don't tell me we got the Kg fans going to tell us he was as good or better then Duncan :mjlol: it's not close

Duncan could match him with defense and was a better back to the basket scorer

What he did in 03 ending the Lakers reign beating a in their prime Shaq and Kobe with basically Speedy Claxton starting games because Parker was a rookie and Stephen Jackson as the teams second best player was remarkable and something KG could never do
 

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There's A LOT of truth to that tho

:what:

No there isn't, plus he was never a good free throw shooter.
They were both equally good in the post, their games were just different. Y'all say it as if Timmy was Hakeem or Shaq in terms of post dominance. KG was arguably a more skilled player in terms of versatility in their prime.
breh, Dirk was a zone that playoffs, especially as the Finals neared.

It was just a team of destiny if such could exist. KG wasn't hitting those shots from that distance in those situations.

Would KG have won on 06 Mavs? Maybe a better case can be made there. But not 2011

You can't expect to swap different players and play the same way :skip:
If you can't understand that to begin with then there's no point in making assumptions. :hubie:
 

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No there isn't, plus he was never a good free throw shooter.
They were both equally good in the post, they were just different. Y'all say it as if Timmy was Hakeem or Shaq in terms of post dominance. KG was arguably a more skilled player in their prime.



You can't expect to swap different players and play the same way :skip:
If you can't understand that to begin with then there's no point in making assumptions. :hubie:

Duncan was a solid FT shooter for a PF/C. His shyt fluctuated a lot but anyways, Duncan was really always money in the clutch. You really cant name a big who has made more clutch shots (under a minute left) in big games more than TD. Easily did it more than KG
 

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The Mavs would still have a lot of success but he Wolves wouldn't because of the personnel surrounding Dirk just like they didn't do anything all those years with KG.
 

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Duncan was a solid FT shooter for a PF/C. His shyt fluctuated a lot but anyways, Duncan was really always money in the clutch. You really cant name a big who has made more clutch shots (under a minute left) in big games more than TD. Easily did it more than KG

Can't argue with that:hubie:
 

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People get crazy defensive over KG. Listen, KG was a great first ballot HOF. The problem is that under any scenario I have a very tough time seeing him as a #1 option on a championship team. Even in Boston right from the start I felt like Pierce and Ray Allen would be the key factors on offense over KG and that is what got them over the lakers for that championship.

Simply swapping KG and Dirk on identical teams causes more problems for the Mavs than it does to the Timberwolves. You could rely on Dirk for a bucket when needed...you simply could not say the same for KG with his game. He shot way too many midrange jumpers and did not hit them consistently enough to take over Duncan in the Spurs system either.

IMO, KG is the 3rd player picked between the 3 mentioned in this thread if constructing a team. There is no shame in that, but I would take Duncan because of his post game and how he impacted the game in that system. Dirk because I know I can count on him for a basket when needed.
 
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