Swiss Voters REJECT Universal Basic Income

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Switzerland's voters reject basic income plan - BBC News

Final results from Sunday's referendum showed that nearly 77% opposed the plan, with only 23% backing it.

The proposal had called for adults to be paid an unconditional monthly income, whether they worked or not.

The supporters camp had suggested a monthly income of 2,500 Swiss francs (£1,755; $2,555) for adults and also SFr625 for each child.

The amounts reflected the high cost of living in Switzerland. It is not clear how the plan would have affected people on higher salaries.

The supporters had also argued that since work was increasingly automated, fewer jobs were available for workers.


Switzerland is the first country to hold such a vote.

There was little support among Swiss politicians for the idea and not a single parliamentary party came out in favour, but the proposal gathered more than 100,000 signatures and was therefore put to the vote under the Swiss popular initiative system.

Critics of the measure said that disconnecting the link between work done and money earned would have been bad for society.

But Che Wagner from the campaign group Basic Income Switzerland, argued before the vote that it would not be money for nothing.

"In Switzerland over 50% of total work that is done is unpaid. It's care work, it's at home, it's in different communities, so that work would be more valued with a basic income."

The popular initiative system
  • Allows citizens to suggest changes to the federal constitution
  • All initiatives that gather 100,000 signatures in 18 months go to a public vote
  • A constitutional amendment by initiative not only requires a majority public vote but a majority of cantons must also approve it
  • Differs from the mandatory referendum, which is called by parliament and does not need public signatures
Meanwhile, Luzi Stamm, a member of parliament for the right-wing Swiss People's Party, opposed the idea.

"Theoretically, if Switzerland were an island, the answer is yes. But with open borders, it's a total impossibility, especially for Switzerland, with a high living standard," he said.

"If you would offer every individual a Swiss amount of money, you would have billions of people who would try to move into Switzerland." :mjpls:

The wording on the initiative was vague, asking for a constitutional change to "guarantee the introduction of an unconditional basic income" but with no mention of amounts.

The idea is also under consideration elsewhere. In Finland, the government is considering a trial to give basic income to about 8,000 people from low-income groups.

And the Dutch city of Utrecht is also developing a pilot project that will begin in January 2017.

Another four issues were on the Swiss ballot on Sunday.

  • A proposal to speed up the country's asylum process was backed by nearly 67%
  • The Pro Service Public initiative proposing that bosses of big public sector companies should not earn more than government ministers - a reflection of dissatisfaction with railways and telecoms provider Swisscom. It was rejected by 68% of the voters
  • A proposal to allow genetic testing of embryos before they are inserted in the uterus in cases of in-vitro fertilisation, where either parent carries a serious hereditary disease. It was passed, with 62% backing it
  • Transport financing: An initiative from the car lobby which wants more investment in roads. The government had urged a "No" vote, and it was rejected by 71%.
 

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I'd be ok with a basic income system which replaces the social programs like Medicaid, Food stamps, public housing etc.

Everyone gets 2500 a month to do whatever they want with

What happens when people with poor financial management skills spend all of their monthly UBI and still need assistance with Medicaid, food stamps, housing, etc?
 

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What happens when people with poor financial management skills spend all of their monthly UBI and still need assistance with Medicaid, food stamps, housing, etc?

People with "poor financial management skills" can just as easily barter away food bought with food stamps for cash, which they can then blow on things that are not SNAP approved.
 

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What happens when people with poor financial management skills spend all of their monthly UBI and still need assistance with Medicaid, food stamps, housing, etc?

Tough:yeshrug:

You have to let people sink or swim and make their own financial decisions IMO
 

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People with "poor financial management skills" can just as easily barter away food bought with food stamps for cash, which they can then blow on things that are not SNAP approved.
at least it's work :manny:

There's a real problem with this. I'm as socialist minded as the next guy but well, you can't do nothing and get something.If there was a community service of some type associated with this then maybe, or a forced birth control for those not working maybe; 625 a month for one kid is enough to make you want a litter.

Can't have something for nothing. That's the inherent problem with our welfare system now, there's no incentive to get off of it.

Our welfare system should look like a bell curve. You don't get anything unless you do something and then the more you do the more you get. After a certain point of income the amount you get should decrease as you earn more.
So for instance you don't do shyt then you get $500 bucks of food stamps. (keeps the homeless fed)

The more you work the more you get to a point and then that starts to taper off

$ per Hr / Wage/ Food/ % of Inc / Cash / % of Inc / % ben / Yearly Inc
7.5 15600 500 3.21% 0 0.00% 3.21% 16,100.00
8 16640 600 3.61% 50 0.30% 3.91% 17,290.00
9 18720 600 3.21% 150 0.80% 4.01% 19,470.00
10 20800 550 2.64% 350 1.68% 4.33% 21,700.00
11 22880 525 2.29% 250 1.09% 3.39% 23,655.00
12 24960 500 2.00% 300 1.20% 3.21% 25,760.00
13 27040 450 1.66% 400 1.48% 3.14% 27,890.00
15 31200 400 1.28% 400 1.28% 2.56% 32,000.00
16 33280 300 0.90% 300 0.90% 1.80% 33,880.00
17 35360 0 0.00% 0 0.00% 0.00% 35,360.00


Crazy things I i'm pretty sure that's how it's done now, just with the minimum being much less and there is actually an incentive to stay on welfare. Whereas here you'll always be better off trying to get a raise.
How it works now is for a single person the MAXIMUM wage they can earn and still get FS is 7.36/hr
Compare it to the table above

$ per Hr / Wage/ Food/ % of Inc / Cash / % of Inc / % ben / Yearly Inc
7.36 15309 194 1.27% 0 0.00% 1.27% 16,289.80

The moment dude starts making 7.37 an hour he's assed out, never mind the fact that he's still poor and prospects are still shytty.

Keep in mind this is just food,doesn't include cash or housing assistance. That too, the whole social welfare package, needs to be on a bell curve designed to get people off of it rather than keep them on it.
 
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