Swiss Voters REJECT Universal Basic Income

[rapbeats]

You bring up a very great point about how far this new system will go in terms of providing welfare.

Will the UBI be something that is an additional program on top of the current social welfare programs or will it replace all of them?

If it replaces everything, what will society do when people misappropriate their funds?

here's the thing i'm actually with yall on just give em a check and let them decide. i hate being a nanny to grown people. but grown people have kids and kids cant do for self. it aint their fault. so if we allow that to continue we will be apart of allowing kids to become just like their parents, wash, rinse repeat. you want to change a society for the better? Take care of the kids and make sure they are in a solid environment. you do that. you will have solid citizens once they become adults. if you dont..well we know how it looks out here right now. you mistreat black folks for 100's of years to current and you see how we looking out here as adults and you see how are children are treated. wash...rinse...repeat.

i'm about the long game. i'm about better society for us all over for myself. i know i can survive if push comes to shove because i was gifted with a mind and a set of talents(tools) that i know about self-aware enough to know my flaws and my talents. no matter what happens barring some catastrophic health issue, i'll be able to fend for self and my fam. But i'm a realist. i know for a fact everyone doesnt have the foundation i have due to no fault of their own. we have similar dna. but not identical. so some tools i'm afforded that could work and help me stay afloat in this society may not be the same for you. you may have talents but non of them were ever developed. So with all these realistic situations out there. i will always lean towards putting in SOME protections for those less fortunate.

but the truth is. if this automation gets to a crazy point. it will wipe out most of us from the job force as we know it. so while you're thinking about lazy people getting checks. it will be you and I getting these same checks cause what else can we do when EVERY thing is automated?

There will come a time when computer AI and machine learning will learn how to program better than us by utilizing on the worlds data and compiling all the programs that didnt work and those that worked best. then streamlining the processes/code to create a scenario where the most efficient code will always be written by computer AI. some super computer AI may better know how to use Nano Computing before us humans get a real understanding of how it can be best utilized. then what we going to do? sit up on the coli and shoot the sh... thats what. with our little checks. hopefully work out, eat right, and run into one another at the local starbucks and do some more shooting of the sh...and basically we will just be running around philosophying and hanging out because there will literally be nothing for us to do aside from Religion and Worshiping God. We wont even have to work for the check in the sense of a person receiving welfare right now. it still takes effort to sign up, deal with the interviewing process, etc. that takes work too. but that will all be automated. they will know "sorry rapbeats we no longer have any work for you. therefore we have deposited $2500 into your account have a great month and purchase wisely... make sure to check your alerts if you start spending too much on one thing. if you would like we can automate your funds for you and have them efficiently distributed throughout your needs and some of your wants. just digitally sign here X...."

its going down bruhs/bruhettes.

 

[MegaManX]

Such a shyt idea. $2500 a month even if you're not working?

Not even Bernie is that socialist

give it 40 years and that will seem like pennies compared to what is to come.

You think technology isn't going to decimate the need for workers?

Which countries have the highest employment?

Countries where everyone makes hardly anything working land for a couple of rich people in a poor ass underdevelopered country.

Where do they have the least jobs:? in countries that are in the information age where everything is software and services.


The next step is going to be even more automated. It won't stop. The only way an "economy" can exist in these stages is if 1) the country becomes a Utopia where money no longer exist OR 2) a guaranteed monthly income subsidized by corporate taxes (which still means those who own corporations will be the most powerful people in the country)


If you think that government funded living doesn't positively effect the economy, you need only look at Medicare and the effect it has on the health industry.

More hospitals, more services, and way better care for the elderly, all because the government makes an old decrepit poor person into a card carrying customer that can afford your products.

 

[50CentStan]

I would have moved there

 

[Scoop]

give it 40 years and that will seem like pennies compared to what is to come.

You think technology isn't going to decimate the need for workers?

Which countries have the highest employment?

Countries where everyone makes hardly anything working land for a couple of rich people in a poor ass underdevelopered country.

Where do they have the least jobs:? in countries that are in the information age where everything is software and services.


The next step is going to be even more automated. It won't stop. The only way an "economy" can exist in these stages is if 1) the country becomes a Utopia where money no longer exist OR 2) a guaranteed monthly income subsidized by corporate taxes (which still means those who own corporations will be the most powerful people in the country)


If you think that government funded living doesn't positively effect the economy, you need only look at Medicare and the effect it has on the health industry.

More hospitals, more services, and way better care for the elderly, all because the government makes an old decrepit poor person into a card carrying customer that can afford your products.

This is an alarmingly short-sighted post.

Technology has been advancing and putting people out of work at a pretty quick rate now for 200 or so years. Every time it happens, there's a transition period, but people adapt and find other work and career paths.

The plow, cotton gin, assembly line, tractor, computers, even automated factories etc. were all inventions that temporarily put tons of people out of work. Guess what? Today we're sitting at only about 5% unemployment in America. Fast food chains and bank tellers becoming automated are hardly going to become the tipping point that forever keeps us above 10% unemployment.

First off the idea that developed nations have higher unemployment rates is just factually not true (File talk:World map of countries by rate of unemployment.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), but even if it was, the reason why developed countries have higher unemployment isn't because of "automation," it's because we pay people more then a dollar an hour...

There will always be a transition period when major technological change happens. People will lose work in cycles. It happens. People become re-educated in other fields and young people know not to go down extinct career paths.

 

[Scoop]

I would have moved there

Switzerland has immigration quotas and tough border controls. Good luck.

 

[50CentStan]

Switzerland has immigration quotas and tough border controls. Good luck.

I would have just married a SAWG.

 

[CHL]

I would have just married a SAWG.

S?

 

[50CentStan]

S?

small ass white girl

 

[Street Knowledge]

AND AGAIN. if everyone gets a check. what happens when those people or those people's parents. blow the money on the wrong thing and someone needs medical attention? are you going to leave those people out in the cold with the ?

Yea