SWITCH: Top 60 Solo Artists In Terms Of Singles

[Still Benefited]

I agree with you. Wacky needs to go ahead and put E-40 on the list. Just make it a three way tie for 65th if you want. The case has been made. Numerous hit singles. Numerous quality singles. Relevance over 20 years. Talented rapper. The only knock on him is he is a regional artist (I think regional is the better term). Still - any halfway interested hip hop fan knows who 40 is and knows he's a factor. If Jim Jones can be 18th on this list, at a minimum, 40 has to be included somewhere.

I disagree with you that Dipset appealed to a niche market. I think they were always in line with what was going on in mainstream rap. They had a dedicated following - but that doesn't make them niche artists. There was nothing that out of the mainstream with their production or the rhymes (the rhymes just sucked for the most part!).

the case has been made,couldna said it better myself..


I don't like the idea being different automatically gets u a tag of having a nich audience?after a certain ammount of success and longevity u can't call him regional or niche imo,bcuz we don't know where the sales are coming from,but if u goin platinum nikkas thruout the nation must be feelin ya shyt......if the bay is that damn supportive how come nobody else,including Mac Dre who is loved out there is gettin platinum sales,gold plaques or close to it?the bay only buys so many records....in 2008 he sold about he same thing Snoop sold with Ego Tripping in 2008.....maybe his fanbase spread out or a bunch of old nikkas who don't sit around talkin about music, but it ain't a bunch of bay nikkas or cali nikkas where u can say he regional.

 

[Wacky D]

I agree with you. Wacky needs to go ahead and put E-40 on the list. Just make it a three way tie for 65th if you want. The case has been made. Numerous hit singles. Numerous quality singles. Relevance over 20 years. Talented rapper. The only knock on him is he is a regional artist (I think regional is the better term). Still - any halfway interested hip hop fan knows who 40 is and knows he's a factor. If Jim Jones can be 18th on this list, at a minimum, 40 has to be included somewhere.

I disagree with you that Dipset appealed to a niche market. I think they were always in line with what was going on in mainstream rap. They had a dedicated following - but that doesn't make them niche artists. There was nothing that out of the mainstream with their production or the rhymes (the rhymes just sucked for the most part!).

youre doing it again. dipset's rhymes sucked? this is juvenile all over again x5.

no, its not a tie. i mean, its close. e-40 was one of the first 4 out. hes in the top 70. but hes not even the next one on the list that didnt make the cut. im not handing out participation trophies. but hey, like i said, hes close to making the list. if yall can conjure up a good argument as to why he should be higher than missy or somebody like that, i will definitely throw him on there.

thing is, even if i did a top 25, @StillNotSoft would still be complaining about e-40 being left off the list. i mean, hes up here arguing with me about dudes thats ranked in the 20s. obviously, theres nothing you can say at this point that will make me put e-40 higher on the list than guys that are 40 spots ahead of them. maybe a more practical approach wouldve helped his case.

yea, regional is a better term, but it still falls under that niche category. @StillNotSoft isnt even trying to admit that e-40 is regional. meanwhile, hes claiming that dipset is niche. how am i supposed to even carry on a serious argument when somebody is posting ridiculous stuff like that?

How the hell am I supposed to know how far cross the sales spread,point is u said he sold like 5000 copies and flopped embarrasinglt when in fact he sold 450K on his 10th album.....meanwhile Juelz sold 300K on his debut with those nationwide smash singles you posted from his first album,that sound extra regional to me lol and the population of NY a lot bigger than the bay which means he couldnta be that damn hot locally......since u think bay nikkas all buyin these 40 albums gettin em platinum plaques....Juelz went plat on his second album though,some would call that anikka who had a couple hits and dissapeared,we've seen alotta those,Hammer better be on the list if that's all it takes......

And if them nikkas ain't have a niche audience how the hell they all fall off and become irrelevant at the same damn time....bcuz that sound and they rap style all catered to the same audience,got stale as fuk,And the audience that liked that shyt moved on to sumthin else and stopped checking for that whole collective...and check my og post on the matter I said chipmunk samples and opera beats....those dramatic for no reason shyts.

And what u mean "u appeal to a certain audience and only that"? That describes a whole lotta people including majority of dipset who wuz stuck on koch,basically any nikka who ain't reached for a pop sellout record.....when u become a platinum selling artist its hard to use the niche word?alotta people liked that shyt

i didnt say e-40's album flopped. I SAID HYPHY FLOPPED. what are you reading?

im not even gonna waste time arguing with you about that dipset chit anymore. you dont know what the hell youre talking about b. youre talking out of your @$$ concerning that side-topic.

I accept your offer

"Brenda's Got a Baby"
"If My Homies Call"
"Trapped"
"Holla If Ya Hear Me"
"I Get Around"
"Keep Ya Head Up"
"Papa'z Song"
"Pour Out a Little Liquor"
"How Long Will They Mourn Me"
"Dear Mama"
"Temptations"
"California Love"
"How Do You Want It"
"2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted"
"All About U"
"I Ain't Mad at Cha"
"Toss It Up"
"Hail Mary"
^^^ Greatest catalog of singles any hip-hop artist has to offer
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Now to continue with posthumous released

"I Wonder If Heaven Got a Ghetto"
"Do For Love"
"Changes"
"Until the End of Time"
"Thugz Mansion"
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i'll even spot you the joints that you left out:
hit em up
me & my girlfriend
made ni**az
to live & die in l.a.
dying to live
wanted dead or alive

NOW TIME FOR THE of this solo rap singles chit
i need a beat
radio
rock the bells
i'm bad
i need love
going back 2 cali
im the type of guy
jinglin baby
big ole butt
jack the ripper
***AND THATS JUST THE '80S***
to the break of dawn
boomin system
around the way girl
mama said knock you out
6 minutes of pleasure
strictly business
how im comin
backseat of my jeep
pink cookies in a plastic bag gettin crushed by a building
stand by your man
crossroads
i shot ya
i shot ya(remix)
hey lover
doin it
loungin(remix)
cant nobody
4,3,2,1
4,3,2,1(remix)
the ripper returns
father
zoom
shut em down
deepest bluest
imagine that
the jawn w/ kelly price
luv u better

theres like 6-8 more joints that i could mention that i dont bang with but were big:
phenomenon
paradise
all i have
headsprung
touch
and like 1-3 other joints

 

[Wacky D]

dope single that surprisingly, nobody mentioned in here yet.

the case has been made,couldna said it better myself..


I don't like the idea being different automatically gets u a tag of having a nich audience?after a certain ammount of success and longevity u can't call him regional or niche imo,bcuz we don't know where the sales are coming from,but if u goin platinum nikkas thruout the nation must be feelin ya shyt......if the bay is that damn supportive how come nobody else,including Mac Dre who is loved out there is gettin platinum sales,gold plaques or close to it?the bay only buys so many records....in 2008 he sold about he same thing Snoop sold with Ego Tripping in 2008.....maybe his fanbase spread out or a bunch of old nikkas who don't sit around talkin about music, but it ain't a bunch of bay nikkas or cali nikkas where u can say he regional.

you reaching for more excuses? who said anything about him being different? hell half the names on the list are different.

and yes, there are ways to find out where your albums are being bought. I JUST TOLD YOU!!! you trying to brush that off too? youre in denial.

you rep the bay scene to the death, so im taking the rest of this post as bullchit because you know better. we know good & darn well that alot of bay artists have/had the ability to go gold/plat mostly just off the strength of their direct market. the bay area even prides itself on this and rightfully so. but are we gonna act like this a myth now? stop it.

im sure he had a solid southern & midwestern fanbase at some point but overall, e-40 is a regional legend. nothing wrong with that. dont worry, im sure that at some point, there will be a bay area rapper that will come out, blow up huge and begin hailing e-40 as some sort of goat. those texas & atlanta rappers did it for UGK and look at how well that worked out for them. theres people that cant name 3 UGK songs but feel obligated to say that theyre a top 10-20 group. his time will come.

 

[mobbinfms]

youre doing it again. dipset's rhymes sucked? this is juvenile all over again x5.

no, its not a tie. i mean, its close. e-40 was one of the first 4 out. hes in the top 70. but hes not even the next one on the list that didnt make the cut. im not handing out participation trophies. but hey, like i said, hes close to making the list. if yall can conjure up a good argument as to why he should be higher than missy or somebody like that, i will definitely throw him on there.

thing is, even if i did a top 25, @StillNotSoft would still be complaining about e-40 being left off the list. i mean, hes up here arguing with me about dudes thats ranked in the 20s. obviously, theres nothing you can say at this point that will make me put e-40 higher on the list than guys that are 40 spots ahead of them. maybe a more practical approach wouldve helped his case.

yea, regional is a better term, but it still falls under that niche category. @StillNotSoft isnt even trying to admit that e-40 is regional. meanwhile, hes claiming that dipset is niche. how am i supposed to even carry on a serious argument when somebody is posting ridiculous stuff like that?

That's fine with me. It's pretty silly to argue that "you got him at 55 and I think he should be 57". As long as its within ten spaces - that's just basic difference of opinion. Me and @StillNotSoft think he should be on the list - you got him somewhere at or below 70 - that's fine.

If you've already got it figured out - who's 65-70? IF not, don't worry about it.

As for Dipset, I'm going to use that like/fan distinction that you used for 40. Would you agree with me that Cam is leaps and bounds above Juelz and Jimmy as a rapper?

 

[Da King]

:dafuk: the point of this pic? you make it rain at male strip clubs?

 

[Still Benefited]

dope single that surprisingly, nobody mentioned in here yet.

E-40 featuring Nate Dogg - Nah, Nah... ft. Nate Dogg - YouTube



you reaching for more excuses? who said anything about him being different? hell half the names on the list are different.

and yes, there are ways to find out where your albums are being bought. I JUST TOLD YOU!!! you trying to brush that off too? youre in denial.

you rep the bay scene to the death, so im taking the rest of this post as bullchit because you know better. we know good & darn well that alot of bay artists have/had the ability to go gold/plat mostly just off the strength of their direct market. the bay area even prides itself on this and rightfully so. but are we gonna act like this a myth now? stop it.

im sure he had a solid southern & midwestern fanbase at some point but overall, e-40 is a regional legend. nothing wrong with that. dont worry, im sure that at some point, there will be a bay area rapper that will come out, blow up huge and begin hailing e-40 as some sort of goat. those texas & atlanta rappers did it for UGK and look at how well that worked out for them. theres people that cant name 3 UGK songs but feel obligated to say that theyre a top 10-20 group. his time will come.

Thank u for finally admitting he had a solid southern fanbase and midwest fanbase finally since u swore the south ain't fuk with em a few pages ago.........that means during his peak he wuznt regional and had his time just like juelz had......fact is his peek lasted a helluva lot longer than juelz did.....I showed u that first juelz album flopped where he wuz extra local......had a hot album and flopped and now nobody caring aout him releasing an album,he in the same boat 40 in now but got their after 2 albums....main difference is 40 had one of the hottest singles in the country this past summer and juelz ain't have shyt.

And u damn right if u made a top 25 that had ridiculous names in it like juelz and az I would certainly ask where E40 at as well as a bunch of other nikkas if u just gon throw names up in it that u like,my bad thought u wuz goin for accuracy.

Juelz sales 300 on his first album yet supposedly those great singles from his first album u posted ain't regional as shyt:haha:...sumthin ain't addin up.......wish I happened to work at a record store right now so I could happen to check the sales by market so I could try to make a point too.....I like how u always end up in places that will help u win a argument no matter what we talkin about....if I said such and such artist ain't hot in the northpole ull tell me "nah nah I wuz in the north pole a month ago and me and the eskimos wuz talkin bout that shyt,a couple igloos fell down we had the music turned up so loud"....but ima take ya word for it maybe ill just make me own list that's accurate as I see it

 

[Wacky D]

That's fine with me. It's pretty silly to argue that "you got him at 55 and I think he should be 57". As long as its within ten spaces - that's just basic difference of opinion. Me and @StillNotSoft think he should be on the list - you got him somewhere at or below 70 - that's fine.

If you've already got it figured out - who's 65-70? IF not, don't worry about it.

As for Dipset, I'm going to use that like/fan distinction that you used for 40. Would you agree with me that Cam is leaps and bounds above Juelz and Jimmy as a rapper?

i have the list going up to like 80 written down. i'll have it next post. im bout to rush out of here tho.

yea, cam is much better than juelz & jimmy. why? lol.

Thank u for finally admitting he had a solid southern fanbase and midwest fanbase finally since u swore the south ain't fuk with em a few pages ago.........that means during his peak he wuznt regional and had his time just like juelz had......fact is his peek lasted a helluva lot longer than juelz did.....I showed u that first juelz album flopped where he wuz extra local......had a hot album and flopped and now nobody caring aout him releasing an album,he in the same boat 40 in now but got their after 2 albums....main difference is 40 had one of the hottest singles in the country this past summer and juelz ain't have shyt.

And u damn right if u made a top 25 that had ridiculous names in it like juelz and az I would certainly ask where E40 at as well as a bunch of other nikkas if u just gon throw names up in it that u like,my bad thought u wuz goin for accuracy.

Juelz sales 300 on his first album yet supposedly those great singles from his first album u posted ain't regional as shyt:haha:...sumthin ain't addin up.......wish I happened to work at a record store right now so I could happen to check the sales by market so I could try to make a point too.....I like how u always end up in places that will help u win a argument no matter what we talkin about....if I said such and such artist ain't hot in the northpole ull tell me "nah nah I wuz in the north pole a month ago and me and the eskimos wuz talkin bout that shyt,a couple igloos fell down we had the music turned up so loud"....but ima take ya word for it maybe ill just make me own list that's accurate as I see it

now youre starting to piss me off, putting all these words in my mouth. we were having an entertaining dialogue before you started pulling these tactics. i thought you were better than this.

i never said that e-40 didnt have solid southern & midwestern fanbases. i actually said that he did. NUMEROUS TIMES. what i said that you didnt like was that hes not hailed as this big time legend down there like you were claiming. quit wit the f*ck chit man. its not cool........i mean, that is unless you dont understand the difference between having a solid fanbase and being regarded as legendary.

and again, stop with the dipset comments. youre talking out of your @$$ again.

for starters, i only listed one single from juelz debut. but again, you dont know what singles were from what albums but you want to speak as an authority. secondly, his debut album was not a flop. it was horribly promoted. probably the least promoted album from def jam during that period when they lost all that money on joe budden and couldnt promote anything else. they literally threw the album out there, and on top of that, they screwed up the release date and dropped the album in a completely different week than advertised. not to mention that the album got leaked and bootlegged like crazy before it dropped. nor did they promote "santana's town" properly. its blew up big on its own really.

and through all of that, "santana's town" was still bigger than any single e-40 ever dropped. and im not talking about no charts.....and lol @ you claiming that "santana's town" was a regional jam. what planet are you living on homie? thats a serious question now.

homie, its documented that i was posting on sohh while i was at the job. i dont have to lie about anything. and for the record, not that it matters, but since i have to be clear about everything; i didnt get the numbers from the store. i got it from people that i knew who frequented the store. you meet alot of people when you work in the mom-n-pop joints. how you think i broke the inside chit about plies having a bad rep with atlantic execs? i bet you were when i made that thread. i prolly got that scoop the same day as the e-40 numbers. i know i got that info from the same chick that was putting me down with the sales breakdowns for artists.

i dont have to lie about chit. did it ever occur to you that i only speak in-depth about the topics that im up on? do you see me saying "i was here and over here doing this" in every thread? NO. do you see me going in-depth in every thread that i post in? NO. do you ever see me talking out of my @$$? NO. so you do the math.

and i gave you the opportunity to work e-40 onto the list and you didnt even attempt. instead, youre just yappin. im very dissappointed.

 

[Still Benefited]

i have the list going up to like 80 written down. i'll have it next post. im bout to rush out of here tho.

yea, cam is much better than juelz & jimmy. why? lol.



now youre starting to piss me off, putting all these words in my mouth. we were having an entertaining dialogue before you started pulling these tactics. i thought you were better than this.

i never said that e-40 didnt have solid southern & midwestern fanbases. i actually said that he did. NUMEROUS TIMES. what i said that you didnt like was that hes not hailed as this big time legend down there like you were claiming. quit wit the f*ck chit man. its not cool........i mean, that is unless you dont understand the difference between having a solid fanbase and being regarded as legendary.

and again, stop with the dipset comments. youre talking out of your @$$ again.

for starters, i only listed one single from juelz debut. but again, you dont know what singles were from what albums but you want to speak as an authority. secondly, his debut album was not a flop. it was horribly promoted. probably the least promoted album from def jam during that period when they lost all that money on joe budden and couldnt promote anything else. they literally threw the album out there, and on top of that, they screwed up the release date and dropped the album in a completely different week than advertised. not to mention that the album got leaked and bootlegged like crazy before it dropped. nor did they promote "santana's town" properly. its blew up big on its own really.

and through all of that, "santana's town" was still bigger than any single e-40 ever dropped. and im not talking about no charts.....and lol @ you claiming that "santana's town" was a regional jam. what planet are you living on homie? thats a serious question now.

homie, its documented that i was posting on sohh while i was at the job. i dont have to lie about anything. and for the record, not that it matters, but since i have to be clear about everything; i didnt get the numbers from the store. i got it from people that i knew who frequented the store. you meet alot of people when you work in the mom-n-pop joints. how you think i broke the inside chit about plies having a bad rep with atlantic execs? i bet you were when i made that thread. i prolly got that scoop the same day as the e-40 numbers. i know i got that info from the same chick that was putting me down with the sales breakdowns for artists.

i dont have to lie about chit. did it ever occur to you that i only speak in-depth about the topics that im up on? do you see me saying "i was here and over here doing this" in every thread? NO. do you see me going in-depth in every thread that i post in? NO. do you ever see me talking out of my @$$? NO. so you do the math.

and i gave you the opportunity to work e-40 onto the list and you didnt even attempt. instead, youre just yappin. im very dissappointed.

This dialogue ain't been intertaining or meaningful for about 2 pages now,I realized I'm talking to a terrorist who asked for a million dollar ransom,then I give the million and then u want a helicopter,meanwhile u have no intention of releasing the hostages.

I just been luring u to the window for the headshot the past 2 pages,and frustrating enuff u convieniently bend down right before I can make the shot with sum dumb excuse "oops gotta tie my shoe" on sum b/s lol.....its clear u wuz on the internet back durin that period,or based who wuz hot in the streets off who wuz gettin played on rap city as if u ain't see them play alooota shyt u never once heard on radio......iu wanna bring me ya info u got from a friend while workin at a record store that I CAN'T see for myself meanwhile I bring u chart numbers of singles that r visible for u,and u told me "I don't know y u showing me those chart numbers" as if they not relevant



They MORE relevant than ur stats about sales of an ALBUm by region bcuz just bcuz ur album ain't bought in a certain region doesn't neccesarily mean they don't like your single,u know how many SINGLES people fuk with heavy but don't wanna buy the rappers album?my chart numbers wuz way more relevant bruh,then u gon tell me I didn't try to put up a argument?u shot everything relevant down and would rather stick with what YOU saw or what ur group of friends fuked with at the time....meanwhile I'm bringin numbers regarding singles to the table.....u actually had the audacity to say santannas town is bigger than any e40 single and make up yet another excuse as to why the numbers is irrelevant but rap city plays were.

U know who came out a few months after Juelz came out?Memphis Bleek....who got the same 0 promotion Juelz did,but he had a single in "Round Here" that people really did fuk with and wuznt just gettin Rap City play,east coast spins,internet hype.....my nikka Bleek went fukin Gold,I don't care if his album came out the right week if his single wuz hot as u claim he certainly should've had steam enuff to catch Bleek? We need aqn apology for that nonsense,santannas town bigger than any e40 single?maybe on the internet where alotta bums name and singles get more luuv,but the numbers speak for itself....oh u don't believe those tho....u don't believe Birdman when he tell u 40 wuz a legend in new orleans but u believe the sohh poster who said "I never met a e40 fan here in new orleans"...I wuz talkin to a texas poster on here other day and he told me how heavy texas nikkas fuked with the whole click and e40 which I already knew to be true......u don't believe shyt but what u wanna believe,throw numbers out the window when convienient for u,that's why the dialogue stopped bein interesting


Its all good tho Wacky,we cool again in the next thread just not this one

 

[Wacky D]

now im basing this thread off of rap city spins?

youre talking out ya @$$ again. i didnt even bother to read the rest of that post. i cant deal with the bullchit anymore. i reached my bullchit tolerance level.

and if anything, youre the one basing your argument around rap city spins and empty meaningless numbers. your posts lack perspective. thats why you stay coming off green.

edit: bleek sold cause he was an established name. his album didnt have the impact & popularity of juelz' album. not saying juelz debut was great or anything but his joint got more play in the hood than bleek's chit. and more people had juelz album. you dont even understand the bootleg game, trying to compare east coast albums. again, you lack perspective.

 

[mobbinfms]

i have the list going up to like 80 written down. i'll have it next post. im bout to rush out of here tho.

yea, cam is much better than juelz & jimmy. why? lol.



now youre starting to piss me off, putting all these words in my mouth. we were having an entertaining dialogue before you started pulling these tactics. i thought you were better than this.

i never said that e-40 didnt have solid southern & midwestern fanbases. i actually said that he did. NUMEROUS TIMES. what i said that you didnt like was that hes not hailed as this big time legend down there like you were claiming. quit wit the f*ck chit man. its not cool........i mean, that is unless you dont understand the difference between having a solid fanbase and being regarded as legendary.

and again, stop with the dipset comments. youre talking out of your @$$ again.

for starters, i only listed one single from juelz debut. but again, you dont know what singles were from what albums but you want to speak as an authority. secondly, his debut album was not a flop. it was horribly promoted. probably the least promoted album from def jam during that period when they lost all that money on joe budden and couldnt promote anything else. they literally threw the album out there, and on top of that, they screwed up the release date and dropped the album in a completely different week than advertised. not to mention that the album got leaked and bootlegged like crazy before it dropped. nor did they promote "santana's town" properly. its blew up big on its own really.

and through all of that, "santana's town" was still bigger than any single e-40 ever dropped. and im not talking about no charts.....and lol @ you claiming that "santana's town" was a regional jam. what planet are you living on homie? thats a serious question now.

homie, its documented that i was posting on sohh while i was at the job. i dont have to lie about anything. and for the record, not that it matters, but since i have to be clear about everything; i didnt get the numbers from the store. i got it from people that i knew who frequented the store. you meet alot of people when you work in the mom-n-pop joints. how you think i broke the inside chit about plies having a bad rep with atlantic execs? i bet you were when i made that thread. i prolly got that scoop the same day as the e-40 numbers. i know i got that info from the same chick that was putting me down with the sales breakdowns for artists.

i dont have to lie about chit. did it ever occur to you that i only speak in-depth about the topics that im up on? do you see me saying "i was here and over here doing this" in every thread? NO. do you see me going in-depth in every thread that i post in? NO. do you ever see me talking out of my @$$? NO. so you do the math.

and i gave you the opportunity to work e-40 onto the list and you didnt even attempt. instead, youre just yappin. im very dissappointed.

Cam was great back on Big L's first album and on the COC freestyle from the Stretch and Bob show. He dumbed down the flow a bit for the first album. Things declined from there. By the time Come Home with Me dropped - his style was sort of irreverent and corny to me. Rhyming words for the sake of rhyming words. He can still come up with a good line here and there - but for the most part I find him pretty uninteresting.

Juelz had his own style of rhyming - he's got a great delivery and charisma - but the rhymes aren't good. By the time he wa dropping Nazi Nazi Papi Papi - it was a wrap for him. And I really liked Santanas Town - but it was a minor hit at best. I used to go out specifically hoping they would play it in DC - never heard it. As far as my perspective - that joint only got burn on MTV Jams.

Jimmy has a good delivery and charisma as well. He's gotten better over time with the rhymes - at best he's average.

 

[Wacky D]

Cam was great back on Big L's first album and on the COC freestyle from the Stretch and Bob show. He dumbed down the flow a bit for the first album. Things declined from there. By the time Come Home with Me dropped - his style was sort of irreverent and corny to me. Rhyming words for the sake of rhyming words. He can still come up with a good line here and there - but for the most part I find him pretty uninteresting.

Juelz had his own style of rhyming - he's got a great delivery and charisma - but the rhymes aren't good. By the time he wa dropping Nazi Nazi Papi Papi - it was a wrap for him. And I really liked Santanas Town - but it was a minor hit at best. I used to go out specifically hoping they would play it in DC - never heard it. As far as my perspective - that joint only got burn on MTV Jams.

Jimmy has a good delivery and charisma as well. He's gotten better over time with the rhymes - at best he's average.

you do know that there were way more people in dipset right? juelz was not in the upper echelon of dipset lyricism, and jim jones shouldnt even be mentioned in this conversation at all.

dipset-era camron was hands-down one of the better lyricists for that time period. this whole thing about him rhyming words just to rhyme is mostly bs. most of the time when he would get criticized for this, the lines actually made sense. he was just too slang heavy and alot of his references were on some insider chit so he went over alot of peoples heads.

sure, hes not innocent tho. he did have a tendency to spit bullchit circa '04-05 when he was doing nothing but guest features. but like i said, on the overall, most of the stuff that he was criticized for was un-warranted.

If you've already got it figured out - who's 65-70? IF not, don't worry about it.

EXCLUSIVE CHIT!!!!

67. BG
68. gucci mane
69. E-40
70. freeway
71. twista
72. foxy brown
73. dana dane
74. meek millz
75. memphis bleek
76. lil boosie
77. curren$y
78. tone loc
79. eric sermon
80. mack 10

 

[mobbinfms]

you do know that there were way more people in dipset right? juelz was not in the upper echelon of dipset lyricism, and jim jones shouldnt even be mentioned in this conversation at all.

dipset-era camron was hands-down one of the better lyricists for that time period. this whole thing about him rhyming words just to rhyme is mostly bs. most of the time when he would get criticized for this, the lines actually made sense. he was just too slang heavy and alot of his references were on some insider chit so he went over alot of peoples heads.

sure, hes not innocent tho. he did have a tendency to spit bullchit circa '04-05 when he was doing nothing but guest features. but like i said, on the overall, most of the stuff that he was criticized for was un-warranted.



EXCLUSIVE CHIT!!!!

67. BG
68. gucci mane
69. E-40
70. freeway
71. twista
72. foxy brown
73. dana dane
74. meek millz
75. memphis bleek
76. lil boosie
77. curren$y
78. tone loc
79. eric sermon
80. mack 10

Never checked for Dipset's B Team - so yeah - to be clear, my earlier comment was about the three I mentioned.

Not sure what you would consider the Dipset era (02-05?), but no way I can agree that Cam was one of the elite lyricists of the years I specified.
Nas with Gods Son and SD was better.
Jay with the black album was better.
Kanye was better with his first two albums.
Kweli was better with Quality
Common was better with Be
Immortal Technique was better
MF Doom was better
And I could be forgetting a few glaring examples.

Remember - this was around the time that Nas dissed Cam on the radio for slacking with the lyrics.

Also - I agree that Cam wasn't spitting nonsensical ideas - they were clear thoughts - but strung together in a fashion that I found corny that emphasized getting those multis in over most everything else. Again - he def had some great lines and overall he is talented - just in what I considered a period of decline.

Rest of the list is interesting. My quick thoughts - Twista and 40 should be higher. Surprised to see Meek on there - glad to see Mack 10 on there - also glad to see Bleek on there (that's probably the highest anyone has ever rated him!).

 

[mobbinfms]

you do know that there were way more people in dipset right? juelz was not in the upper echelon of dipset lyricism, and jim jones shouldnt even be mentioned in this conversation at all.

dipset-era camron was hands-down one of the better lyricists for that time period. this whole thing about him rhyming words just to rhyme is mostly bs. most of the time when he would get criticized for this, the lines actually made sense. he was just too slang heavy and alot of his references were on some insider chit so he went over alot of peoples heads.

sure, hes not innocent tho. he did have a tendency to spit bullchit circa '04-05 when he was doing nothing but guest features. but like i said, on the overall, most of the stuff that he was criticized for was un-warranted.



EXCLUSIVE CHIT!!!!

67. BG
68. gucci mane
69. E-40
70. freeway
71. twista
72. foxy brown
73. dana dane
74. meek millz
75. memphis bleek
76. lil boosie
77. curren$y
78. tone loc
79. eric sermon
80. mack 10

Oh - and I'll always have love for Cam for going on o'Reilly and treating that a$$hole like the idiot he is. Dame too.

 

[Wacky D]

Never checked for Dipset's B Team - so yeah - to be clear, my earlier comment was about the three I mentioned.

Not sure what you would consider the Dipset era (02-05?), but no way I can agree that Cam was one of the elite lyricists of the years I specified.
Nas with Gods Son and SD was better.
Jay with the black album was better.
Kanye was better with his first two albums.
Kweli was better with Quality
Common was better with Be
Immortal Technique was better
MF Doom was better
And I could be forgetting a few glaring examples.

Remember - this was around the time that Nas dissed Cam on the radio for slacking with the lyrics.

Also - I agree that Cam wasn't spitting nonsensical ideas - they were clear thoughts - but strung together in a fashion that I found corny that emphasized getting those multis in over most everything else. Again - he def had some great lines and overall he is talented - just in what I considered a period of decline.

Rest of the list is interesting. My quick thoughts - Twista and 40 should be higher. Surprised to see Meek on there - glad to see Mack 10 on there - also glad to see Bleek on there (that's probably the highest anyone has ever rated him!).

dipset's b-team was the backbone. they were actually outshining the a-team thru the 2nd half of their run. the c-team was as well.

meh, i agree that when cam was in-between albums, he would spit some questionable stuff, but when he dropped albums, i'll take his lyrics over most of those guys.

lol @ kanye west. he doesnt even write his own stuff. and on top of that, most of the stuff that he spit, wasnt even really lyrical. that backpack fascade be having dudes fooled man. wow.

nas dissed cam after CHWM dropped. i dont even think the 1st dipset mixtape was out yet. anyway, cam went IN on alot of those tracks. and nas holds no credibility. he dissed cam and then ran for cover when cam came after him. between that and the money i wasted on "streets disciple", nas has been a sucka in my eyes for a decade now. and obviously, nas thinks highly of cam's lyrics if he high-tailed from the beef that he started.

as for the list:
- E40 doesnt have a real standout single. he never stopped time. i just cant see how i should put him higher than anybody thats above him.

- at first i felt like twista was too low, then i thought about it, and hes good where hes at. he dropped some bullchit @$$ singles. also, im not big on the blatant pandering that he and other artists do. and hes probably the worst. every single is a girl record, and alot of them are inter-changeable. the only non-female joint he did was the song for "coach carter" and that joint was wiggity-wiggity-wack.

- one thing you gotta take into account concerning meek is that he has local hits dating back to like 2007. and thats saying alot because philly radio usually doesnt give daytime spins to local underground artists. they havnt done such since the ram squad/tommy hill era.

- haha @ memphis bleek. yea, he deserves some recognition.

- yea, mack 10 is underrated.

 

[mobbinfms]

dipset's b-team was the backbone. they were actually outshining the a-team thru the 2nd half of their run. the c-team was as well.

meh, i agree that when cam was in-between albums, he would spit some questionable stuff, but when he dropped albums, i'll take his lyrics over most of those guys.

lol @ kanye west. he doesnt even write his own stuff. and on top of that, most of the stuff that he spit, wasnt even really lyrical. that backpack fascade be having dudes fooled man. wow.

nas dissed cam after CHWM dropped. i dont even think the 1st dipset mixtape was out yet. anyway, cam went IN on alot of those tracks. and nas holds no credibility. he dissed cam and then ran for cover when cam came after him. between that and the money i wasted on "streets disciple", nas has been a sucka in my eyes for a decade now. and obviously, nas thinks highly of cam's lyrics if he high-tailed from the beef that he started.

as for the list:
- E40 doesnt have a real standout single. he never stopped time. i just cant see how i should put him higher than anybody thats above him.

- at first i felt like twista was too low, then i thought about it, and hes good where hes at. he dropped some bullchit @$$ singles. also, im not big on the blatant pandering that he and other artists do. and hes probably the worst. every single is a girl record, and alot of them are inter-changeable. the only non-female joint he did was the song for "coach carter" and that joint was wiggity-wiggity-wack.

- one thing you gotta take into account concerning meek is that he has local hits dating back to like 2007. and thats saying alot because philly radio usually doesnt give daytime spins to local underground artists. they havnt done such since the ram squad/tommy hill era.

- haha @ memphis bleek. yea, he deserves some recognition.

- yea, mack 10 is underrated.

So is it confirmed that Kanye didn't write anything for his first two albums? I knew Fest wrote Jesus Walks, and I'd heard rumors about ghostwriting, but can we really say he didn't write anything (on the first two albums - Graduation and 808 were disappointing lyrically). Don't sleep on Kanye (or the dudes who write his chit - whatever the case may be!) the skill is there. He outshined Mos and Freeway on Two Words, Through the Wire was ill and All Falls Down may have been the most lyrical song on the album. LR had some chit too - his verse on Gone was crazy - he spazzed on Diamonds and Late was ill too. Of course - he can be incredibly uneven - but when he's on - he's crazy nice with his son.

Nas has credibility galore when it comes to lyrics. Especially in the wake of Stillmatic when he bested Jay and dropped an album full of heat (pen wise - song wise too - but we're talking about lyrics). Whether or not he eventually took the L on the streets I don't know (he did diss him on Gods Son "House in Virginia") and I don't think it really matters in terms of judging them both on the lyrics.

Disagree on 40 but we've been up and down that road.

You're right about Twista. Dead on the $ actually. Props for doing the list in the first place. It's clear you put a lot of thought into it.