Yeah, just like they always were. Nothing'ss changed in that regard.
I'm post this here for reference through the rest of my post because you're off on A LOT of the stats your quoting.
Again, not true if you look at the chart it was above %15 for most of the time from the 1930s to 1950s.
It is very relevant to the discussion when you have people claiming that being sexual liberal is some "cac" shyt when really it's the other way around. Obsessions with chastity, sexual purity, and sexual conservatism is and always has been the real "cac" shyt.
False again. It was at least %24 percent by the 1965 and at least
%35 by 1970 if you look at the chart.
The bolded is the only thing I was incorrect about, nothing on that chart or on any of the other stats I've seen prove that the rates
topped 15% pre-1950. It's looks to be hovering right around it, because the percentage of Black children born to married families was 86% in 1940 and consistently stayed around that percentage throughout the decade.
Indeed, it was 35% by 1970, which means the degeneracy started a little earlier than I thought, but who cares? 65%(around two out of every three) Black children were born to married couples in 1970. The Black community was largely socially conservative pre-1970s. Simple as that.
What do you consider a "small percentage"? Because to me a "small percentage" is anything in the single digits, which the oow birth rate in the black community never was by 1930. Anything higher is clearly a very noticeable amount. Unless you of course consider blacks to be a "small percentage" or the US population.
A small percentage is a group of people who represent something rare to the norm. If, for example, 14% of people in a group have children out of wedlock, that would mean out of every seven couples, a total of one of them meets that percentage. A rarity, an abnormality, a small percentage.
It's not irrelevant, because AAs were not consider to be socially conservative at that time just like we aren't now. No one including black people at that time would've said that the black community was sexually conservative.
We were ridiculed as "bucks", "jezebels", "wenches", and deviants by racist back then as well.
Racist stereotypes does not accurately describe a group of people -- obviously. Regardless of what racists thought, Black people were indeed socially conservative pre-1970s.
It doesn't make sense to take something from history and not put it in it's proper historical context. Social conservatism had a very different meaning and served a different purpose back then than it does now. Especially when you consider the lack mass availability of contraceptives, protection, abortion clinics, and much higher rates of maternal deaths etc etc. It was a completely different world back then. The tangible risk associated with being sexually active aren't anywhere near as great now as they were then.
Which is ironic, considering out of wedlock births, STD's, and record high rates of abortion are far bigger problems for Black people today than they were then. You would think we would be doing a lot better than that generation, with all of the Planned Parenthood(abortion) clinics, available contraceptives, and easy-to-google information about reproductive health. Unfortunately, the opposite is true. Far different world indeed.
I have no idea what the rate of maternal death was back then, but considering women had far more children than they do today, I'm going to assume that the vast majority of births were safe and successful.
These numbers are just off. Again, see the chart. And again the effects of the sexual revolution, which was a WORLD wide phenomenon btw, certainly wasn't just limited to the black community in the America. You can see from the chart that all racial/ethnic groups saw in big increase in oow births. Our oow birthrate was as higher than average before it and it's the higher than average now. Nothing has changed for us relative to the wider society we live in. In fact whites saw the most pronounced increase as they went from ~%2-3(very rare) to %28.6.
Just about everything has changed with Black family structure. There was no other community more negatively impacted by the sexual revolution and the reckless sexual culture it created than Black Americans.
1865-1930's.
Average Non-Black Child - Born to and raised by married parents the vast majority of the time
Average Black child - Born to and raised by married parents the vast majority of the time
1940-1960
Average Non-Black child - Born to and raised by married parents the vast majority of the time
Average Black child - Born to and raised by married parents the vast majority of the time
1965(Sexual Revolution starting in the early '60s)
Average Non-Black child - Born to and raised by married parents the vast majority of the time
Average Black child - Born to and raised by married parents the vast majority of the time
1970
Average Non-Black child - Born to and raised by married parents the vast majority of the time
Average Black child - Born to and raised by married parents the majority of the time
1976
Average Non-Black child - Born to and raised by married parents the vast majority of the time
Average Black child - Born to and raised by married parents half of the time
1985
Average Non-Black child - Born to and raised by married parents the vast majority of the time
Average Black child - Born to and raised by married parents a minority percentage(40%) of the time
1990-95
Average Non-Black child - Born to and raised by married parents the vast majority of the time
Average Black child - Born to and raised by married parents a small percentage(30-35%) of the time
2000-2005
Average Non-Black child - Born to and raised by married parents the vast majority of the time
Average Black child - Born to and raised by married parents very rarely.
2019
Average Non-Black child - Born to and raised by married parents the vast majority of the time
Average Black child - Born to and raised by married parents very rarely.
While other groups may have been affected by the increased degeneracy of the last half-century of America, none of them were impacted anywhere near as severely as Black people were. That's the best I can break it down for you.
Agreed. Good thing the Black OOW birthrate never reached 39% pre-1970. Though a minority percentage, that figure is not rare.
Let's not. This discussion is about Black Americans and comparing our values, with regard to family structure, to the values of the past. What's happening in other countries is irrelevant when it comes to this --- different laws, traditions, views, customs, economic systems, and all that other good stuff.
Native Americans(Mongol) Indians are a very tiny percentage of the population, and they have all kinds of problems with regard to violence and alcoholism. They're not a community anyone should be looking to follow.
And what do you mean "paid the price"? We in a comparatively better position now than we were then. If anything we lost our communal structure which led to the shutdown of all of the mutual aid societies and benevolent societies(basically community funded welfare since black people were shut out of most gov assistance programs in the past) that allowed our community to be somewhat self reliant.
We're doing worse comparatively to other groups in the country just like we were back then. Again, nothing's changed. So, how you can attempt to attribute the oow birth rate or our level of sexual conservatism or liberalism to our poor condition is beyond me.
We're paying the price due to the lack of progress that has been made over the past forty years. We've been stagnant in all areas of consequence and in many cases we're going backwards; from stagnant economic and education growth relative to other groups, to higher debt, to having a worst racial wealth gap than we had 35-40 years ago, to the school-to-prison pipeline leading to record high prison incarceration rates. Guess who are the biggest victims of that pipeline? Black boys raised by single mothers in a broke family structure. Guess who is more likely to go into the streets and get into trouble? Same answer.
How is a group supposed to build wealth if most of its children grow up neglected in a broken family structure? You can't! It's a recipe for disaster. It's going to cause all kinds of problems in other areas of life.
We no longer enjoy the status of being the number-one minority group in America, and as other groups are growing their populations, they will soon surpass Blacks in total population,(which will give them more political power as you're seeing with Latinos right now), wealth & income and land/property owned. They've already surpassed us in education. We're on our way to a collective net worth of $0 in a few decades, and we're on the way to being replaced(See Southern California as the blueprint).
If you're constantly last in every major category, as other groups surpass you in a Capitalist system of limited resources, you're not just stagnant, you're going backwards; things are getting worse for you. Blacks are nowhere near prepared to fight this economic war that's coming up.
While life wasn't a bowl of cherries for Blacks in the past, the overall collective backbone of the community was much stronger, especially with how families were organized. And had Black Americans kept those same values they had up until 1965, we'd be much better off as a group.
Many(most actually) of those countries in the above chart with a high oow birth rate have a very high standard of living. Vs the British-Pakistani community which has a oow birth rate in the single digits and is plagued with all kinds of social issues similar to the African-American community.
I don't care about the British-Pakistani community, I care to discuss Black Americans.
Feel free to post the stats for those groups. And fyi. most white americans even by the late 19th century weren't of actual anglo saxon(english) stock.
Yes, I know -- and most of those melting pot European immigrants lived in extended families, the original traditional family.
@ gays can be identified just by looking at them. Gays can be identified by looking at them if they choose to reveal their homosexuality to the outside world. If they don't, you won't.