Talking police reform with a cop

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So im talking with my neighbor(who is a white cop) about police reform today and he made some good arguments... figured I'd share an interesting one.


2-3 people are killed by police everyday, every year... most of whom are white, but its not even obvious that that's a bad number considering there are 300+ million. What is the expectation? what is an acceptable number? 0-1 a day? why? based on what?
Where does the idea that all the crime in a giant ass country should result in people never being killed come from?
...he also says not resisting arrest in would likely cut the number of deaths in half, but its easier to blame the officer than it is the person creating the hostile and/or unsafe situation.

Thoughts?:jbhmm:




Edit: He voted for Trump last election and says he is staying home this election.
Fukk the police are my thoughts. He's using the same logic a rapist would use to justify their rapes. Funny how that same logic doesn't apply when people drop cops in the streets
 

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Fair enough... but i dont think comparing the U.S. where firearm's are prevalent and legal, side by side to a country where they are not, and asking why we cant have similar numbers is fair or meaningful in any relevant way.
I'm not asking why.
It was put as an indication of order of magnitude of your problem.


I think you like your violence.
I think you normalize it and justify it.

And this is why you don't expect and demand zero deaths.
 

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So im talking with my neighbor(who is a white cop) about police reform today and he made some good arguments... figured I'd share an interesting one.


2-3 people are killed by police everyday, every year... most of whom are white, but its not even obvious that that's a bad number considering there are 300+ million. What is the expectation? what is an acceptable number? 0-1 a day? why? based on what?
Where does the idea that all the crime in a giant ass country should result in people never being killed come from?
...he also says not resisting arrest in would likely cut the number of deaths in half, but its easier to blame the officer than it is the person creating the hostile and/or unsafe situation.

Thoughts?:jbhmm:




Edit: He voted for Trump last election and says he is staying home this election.


And if those 2 or 3 are justified it's fine. The reform is to prosecute and get rid of the Bad Apples. Currently, that shyt is damn near impossible.
 

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I dont follow, any number of deaths = oppression?:dwillhuh:
Any officer who takes a life in the line of duty has broken his oath?:dwillhuh:


edit: he's actually really chill, but ive never ran into the officer version of him. I only see the family side of him.

He is an officer but doesn't understand how ludicrous his statement is? Even if he feels it, he shouldn't feel bold enough to say it to civilians.

WHAT IS THE ACCEPTABLE NUMBER?:gucci:

These are people, not products or livestock. What happens when you assign a quota like that?

As an example, let's assume 200 -300 people will die by officers every year.

What happens when the first person dies? Do you say, "Well, Jim, we are in quota, just keep it under 300......sprinkle a little crack on him"

The fact he used that as an argument shows his views of people and what's acceptable has changed.

Acceptable death totals?

Man fukk him.
 

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So im talking with my neighbor(who is a white cop) about police reform today and he made some good arguments... figured I'd share an interesting one.


2-3 people are killed by police everyday, every year... most of whom are white, but its not even obvious that that's a bad number considering there are 300+ million. What is the expectation? what is an acceptable number? 0-1 a day? why? based on what?
Where does the idea that all the crime in a giant ass country should result in people never being killed come from?
...he also says not resisting arrest in would likely cut the number of deaths in half, but its easier to blame the officer than it is the person creating the hostile and/or unsafe situation.


Thoughts?:jbhmm:




Edit: He voted for Trump last election and says he is staying home this election.



Was going to write something, but this more than suffices :comeon:
 

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2-3 people are killed by police everyday, every year... most of whom are white, but its not even obvious that that's a bad number considering there are 300+ million. What is the expectation? what is an acceptable number? 0-1 a day? why? based on what?
Where does the idea that all the crime in a giant ass country should result in people never being killed come from?
...he also says not resisting arrest in would likely cut the number of deaths in half, but its easier to blame the officer than it is the person creating the hostile and/or unsafe situation
let me get this straight, if i own a grocery store and only 1 - 2 employees steal from me everyday out of i don't know 100 or so employees, what's the big deal...? what's an acceptable number for theft...? ZERO...? i expect my employees not to steal from me at all, none of them, EVER.....? man, get all the way the fukk out of here with this retarded c00n babble...

i won't give a serious rebuttable because @DEAD7 is a known and proud c00n.... he would absolutely think killing black people in service to a white capitalistic system is no big deal... however, i am intrigued enough to ask this, why is this white supremacist piece of shyt cop not voting for trump this go around....?
 

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So im talking with my neighbor(who is a white cop) about police reform today and he made some good arguments... figured I'd share an interesting one.


2-3 people are killed by police everyday, every year... most of whom are white, but its not even obvious that that's a bad number considering there are 300+ million. What is the expectation? what is an acceptable number? 0-1 a day? why? based on what?
Where does the idea that all the crime in a giant ass country should result in people never being killed come from?
...he also says not resisting arrest in would likely cut the number of deaths in half, but its easier to blame the officer than it is the person creating the hostile and/or unsafe situation.

Thoughts?:jbhmm:




Edit: He voted for Trump last election and says he is staying home this election.
I think it's short sighted to just look at killings. We are over policed period. Look at drug interactions for example. White people use drugs just as much if not more than we do, but the cops stop us, arrest us, hassle us way more for that stuff and we get treated worse during the stops.

Death is the ultimate consequence but The threat of death can also be huge negative influence on quality of life.


Edit: the police definition of resisting arrest is so broad that's it's basically meaningless.

Edit: one thing I will say in police defense is that they are asked to fix too many ills in society that they are not equipped to do. Police shouldn't have to be law enforcement.. mental health professionals ,child psychologists etc etc
 
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