i'm waiting homo.
let's see how you are gonna delete me off this site like you said you fakkit ass loser with no life. you mad because people's lives are better than yours, what a hater. 
Tariq nasheed finally went too far
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i'm waiting homo.
let's see how you are gonna delete me off this site like you said you fakkit ass loser with no life. you mad because people's lives are better than yours, what a hater. 
Blackout
just your usual nerdy brotha
get these nets
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No sir, what you are doing is call filibustering.It's taken out of context because it's not the 1880s anymore and it's straight false to claim that that's what Gandhi continued to believe for the rest of his life.
People keep portraying those quotes as if those represent Gandhi's settled beliefs. It's like they're clueless on how history works.
Get real with me for a second. Imagine it is the 1880s and you looking at a non-Black subject of the British empire who has been taught his entire life that there is an hierarchy of races. You expect him to just become a 21st-century multiculturalist hero....how? That's the context we're talking about.
The crazy shyt is, Gandhi DID become that multiculturalist hero. It just took until 1907 and required the right experiences with Africans and the right intellectual defense of equality and his own maturity, it didn't happen automatically by a miracle when he was 25.
Now, let's stop the diversions and get back to the topic that was actually being debated.
Was Gandhi considered a friend and hero by African and African-American freedom fighters of his day or not, who were WELL aware of his beliefs?
Are you claiming to know more about his beliefs than friends of his like W.E.B. DuBois and John Dube?
Answer the question.
That's a lie if you're talking about post-1907 Gandhi. Finot's argument, which he accepted, was that ALL races were equal and that the apparent lower education and living standards of Africans were due to lack of education and opportunity, not to inherit differences.
Gandhi and W.E.B. DuBois attended the First Universal Races Congress of 1911 together, which worked for mutual understanding between ALL races. African Nationalists like Dusé Mohamed Ali and Mojola Agbebi were speakers, and African-American activists like William Sanders Scarborough, Sarah J. Garnet, and Susan McKinney Steward were speakers as well.
Tell me - are these statements by Gandhi legit or not? Are they arguing for equal rights for Africans or not?
And tell me, are these statements about Gandhi from the leading Black freedom fighters of the time true or not?
Remember, the question is whether Gandhi influenced the Black community of his era or not.
Look at those receipts, That is NOT a debatable question.
He did. You can't deny that.
If you can show me where I engaged in a direct discussion about whether or Gandhi influenced the Black community of his era or not in this thread, please show me.
Under the spoiler is EVERY post I've made in this thread directed at you.
Yeah, you didn't see it because it's not there. Perhaps you're confusing me with another poster, perhaps it's a diversion tactic.
What I entered your side discussion to dispute was your plea copping for Gandhi's documented racist comments. First you said that it was mainly a by product of British colonial education, later you wrote that his comments were taken out of context, then you wrote with a straight face that ". It wasn't like today where racism was a known "bad" thing".
My contention was that skin color prejudice was embedded in Indian culture(s) before British made contact there.
I'm not sure how much of Gandhi's personal letters and writings were common knowledge/publicly known in his lifetime and by whom. My speculation about the topic was summed up here
In Apartheid South Africa, Asians were honorary Whites
under the spoiler is my quote
The idea that we are supposed to ignore, make excuses for , or cops pleas for openly racist documented comments by Gandhi is offensive. If he was asked about it later in life, I get the impression that he would have fully owned the comments he made....apologized for them, and mention that he evolved. What he probably wouldn't have done was make excuses for his words as you are doing here.
"Du bois and Mandela didn't care,,,,so why should you?" "hey, everybody was racist back then" " we didn't know racism was wrong in the early 1900s""savage meant something different back then than it means now......you are pc for being offended by me calling africans savages over 100 years ago"
HELL NO!
Diversion tactic for what?
The object of the discussion, which was going on before you got here, was whether or not Gandhi had influenced the black community.
You came in talk on a side note of whether Gandhi's initial racism came from his Indian background or his British education. I said that it could have been both, it's historically unclear and frankly I don't even care either way, the British were definitely racist against Africans, the Indians may or may not have been colorist before British influence and it doesn't particularly matter to me.
Then you started whining about "out of context", and I answered very specifically what I meant by "out of context".
Then you came in and said:
And I showed how that was straight bullshyt after 1907-1913.
Those were public writings and statements. They were well known.
And the ignorant part of your statement is that you're treating it like it was MLK Jr's individual choice. You can't get away with explaining it like it was a personal decision of MLK Jr. to whitewash Gandhi, you have to explain why John Dube, S.S. Tema, W.E.B. DuBois, Marcus Garvey, Hubert Harrison, Mordacai Johnson, Martin Luther King Jr., Langston Hughes, Aminu Kano, Kwame Nkrumah, Nnamdi Azikiwe, Nelson Mandela, Albert Luthuli, Desmond Tutu, Julius Nyerere, Kenneth Kaunda, and Joshua Nkomo ALL caped for Gandhi. Dube lived within shouting distance of Gandhi and interacted with him all the time, Tema interacted with him too, DuBois interacted with him regularly, Garvey and Gandhi shared books and letters, Johnson and King went all the way to India to study his ways and interact with those who knew him, a lot of the guys on that list studied Gandhi for YEARS before coming to a conclusion about him.
This is called "historical anachronism", where ya'all read something out of context in 2018 and think that people in 1878 or 1943 or 1958 are gonna think just like you do. Political correctness wasn't a thing in their era. Anti-racism was basically not a thing in their era. Black people EXPECTED the average non-Black subject of the British kingdom to be racist. Even the scientists were racist in their day, there wasn't hardly anyone saying, "Don't be racist", anti-racism wasn't seen as a higher moral value. That wasn't saying it was a good thing, it was saying it was an EXPECTED thing.
Tell me the truth now - if God sends you back to 1880 and you interact with some random non-Black subject of the British empire, are you gonna expect them not to be racist?
Black activists didn't care if they learned about Gandhi's previous racism as a young man because they expected ALL them people to be racist by default. What they cared about what that he fought against White Supremacy, and that he eventually realized his racist views were wrong, became anti-racist, and argued for the equality of all peoples including the freedom of all Black peoples from oppressive White British and White American rule.
To act like Gandhi's racist statements in the first half of his life would have put him on the Summer Jam Screen in 1911 is just ignorant.
When did I "make excuses" for them?
I told you where they came from and put them in context. ALL racist sentiments come from somewhere, it's not like people have a little devil on their shoulder that makes them do bad things. Racist behavior is always learned.You don't seem to have no clue what I'm saying.
DuBois and King and the rest WOULD HAVE CARED if Gandhi had stayed racist. They would have cared if he never promoted African equality. But he didn't stay racist, so they didn't hold his earlier statements against him, his later antiracist work was far more unusual and surprising than his earlier racist past had been.
It's weird as hell you hitting me for this too. I know you've seen me in the Coliseum and Higher Learning put people on the Summer Jam Screen for their racist shyt. I'm the one who got the British boy banned for talking out of line back in April, and just this week I was the one who put that unconscious agent on blast for regurgitating White Supremacist narratives. I have no tolerance for racist behavior. But I also don't see the point of putting people on blast for shyt they don't do anymore cause they changed.
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Damn Tariq
get these nets
Veteran
Diversion tactic for what?
The object of the discussion, which was going on before you got here, was whether or not Gandhi had influenced the black community.
You came in talk on a side note of whether Gandhi's initial racism came from his Indian background or his British education. I said that it could have been both, it's historically unclear and frankly I don't even care either way, the British were definitely racist against Africans, the Indians may or may not have been colorist before British influence and it doesn't particularly matter to me.
Then you started whining about "out of context", and I answered very specifically what I meant by "out of context".
Then you came in and said:
And I showed how that was straight bullshyt after 1907-1913.
Those were public writings and statements. They were well known.
And the ignorant part of your statement is that you're treating it like it was MLK Jr's individual choice. You can't get away with explaining it like it was a personal decision of MLK Jr. to whitewash Gandhi, you have to explain why John Dube, S.S. Tema, W.E.B. DuBois, Marcus Garvey, Hubert Harrison, Mordacai Johnson, Martin Luther King Jr., Langston Hughes, Aminu Kano, Kwame Nkrumah, Nnamdi Azikiwe, Nelson Mandela, Albert Luthuli, Desmond Tutu, Julius Nyerere, Kenneth Kaunda, and Joshua Nkomo ALL caped for Gandhi. Dube lived within shouting distance of Gandhi and interacted with him all the time, Tema interacted with him too, DuBois interacted with him regularly, Garvey and Gandhi shared books and letters, Johnson and King went all the way to India to study his ways and interact with those who knew him, a lot of the guys on that list studied Gandhi for YEARS before coming to a conclusion about him.
This is called "historical anachronism", where ya'all read something out of context in 2018 and think that people in 1878 or 1943 or 1958 are gonna think just like you do. Political correctness wasn't a thing in their era. Anti-racism was basically not a thing in their era. Black people EXPECTED the average non-Black subject of the British kingdom to be racist. Even the scientists were racist in their day, there wasn't hardly anyone saying, "Don't be racist", anti-racism wasn't seen as a higher moral value. That wasn't saying it was a good thing, it was saying it was an EXPECTED thing.
Tell me the truth now - if God sends you back to 1880 and you interact with some random non-Black subject of the British empire, are you gonna expect them not to be racist?
Black activists didn't care if they learned about Gandhi's previous racism as a young man because they expected ALL them people to be racist by default. What they cared about what that he fought against White Supremacy, and that he eventually realized his racist views were wrong, became anti-racist, and argued for the equality of all peoples including the freedom of all Black peoples from oppressive White British and White American rule.
To act like Gandhi's racist statements in the first half of his life would have put him on the Summer Jam Screen in 1911 is just ignorant.
When did I "make excuses" for them?
You don't seem to have no clue what I'm saying.
DuBois and King and the rest WOULD HAVE CARED if Gandhi had stayed racist. They would have cared if he never promoted African equality. But he didn't stay racist, so they didn't hold his earlier statements against him, his later antiracist work was far more unusual and surprising than his earlier racist past had been.
It's weird as hell you hitting me for this too. I know you've seen me in the Coliseum and Higher Learning put people on the Summer Jam Screen for their racist shyt. I'm the one who got the British White boy banned for talking out of line back in April, and just this week I was the one who put that unconscious agent on blast for regurgitating White Supremacist narratives. I have no tolerance for racist behavior. But I also don't see the point of putting people on blast for shyt they don't do anymore cause they changed.
George Wallace before
George Wallace after
George Wallace quote from before
"I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, "segregation forever."
George Wallace quote from before
"I shall resist any illegal federal court order, even to the point of standing at the schoolhouse door in person, if necessary."
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Now, write a thesis paper on why people shouldn't be offended by Wallace's words from before...how it was learned behavior, and that since he worked with Civil Rights leaders later in life that we should forget his earlier life.
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White supremacists could not have asked for a better outcome when they read your post. They won and you let them.
same idiots talking about corrupt DA's 
aight, keep acting like it doesnt matter
aight, keep acting like it doesnt matter
you act like republicans are 100% happy
He’s getting smoked in his mentions. This last crowd funding fell way short, so his hustle was drying up. This is really turning the tide against him
Heres my thing...the time for this talk was BEFORE the primary elections months ago
An economic base means nothing if theres not policy to leverage it. If economics is all that matters, corporations wouldn't spend millions lobbying for laws that benefit their bottom line. You cant have it both ways.
This nihilism of the black community is insulting and frankly disappointing. Its sad.
This "economic base" is what you should be building tomorrow and for the next 2 years up to the next elections. It NEVER stops.
Its not some set-it-and-forget-it.
Voting is brushing your teeth. Brushing your teeth isn't the same as eating right, exercise, and taking care of your mental health.
Without brushing your teeth, your health will fail over time. But brushing your teeth is foundational to keeping yourself healthy.
An economic base means nothing if theres not policy to leverage it. If economics is all that matters, corporations wouldn't spend millions lobbying for laws that benefit their bottom line. You cant have it both ways.
This nihilism of the black community is insulting and frankly disappointing. Its sad.
This "economic base" is what you should be building tomorrow and for the next 2 years up to the next elections. It NEVER stops.
Its not some set-it-and-forget-it.
Voting is brushing your teeth. Brushing your teeth isn't the same as eating right, exercise, and taking care of your mental health.
Without brushing your teeth, your health will fail over time. But brushing your teeth is foundational to keeping yourself healthy.
Yeah this is looking bad for Tariq
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