Tariq's throat baby's strike again

[Supper]

West Indian been in Harlem since the Renaissance and a lot mixed with ADOS. I know it hurts but you'll be okay

Lets stop the tether talk and put shyt in a more realistic perspective.

There were more white people in *CENTRAL* harlem than west indians at that time.

Both black americans and west indians back then and now tend to mix with whites more than each other.

shyt mixed race west indian kids in the UK outnumber two parent west indians now.

I can't speak for y'all but that don't mean we have some deep connection with white people cuz we live near them or have mixed with them. This goes even more so for WIs.

The tether shyt from y'al is really annoying.

 

[audemarzz]

I don't somebody retweeted it. But if you know him since you on his dikk set up a private number so we can address those comments he said, you can come too if you want

Oh you got dikk on your mind and it ain't even 11 yet, ain't that shyt taboo where you from?

 

[RealCrownHeights]

Nah nikkas like to form up like Voltron so I'mma include y'all lil baby islands with Jamaica.
Since west africa lets nigeria speak up for it, all them nikkas nigerian now.
That's what y'all get - shoulda told nikkas to stfu. You damn sure let people think you're jamaican when it's convenient.

Like I thought, deflect and not respond to anything but feminine tactics. Done arguing with you

 

[RealCrownHeights]

Oh you got dikk on your mind and it ain't even 11 yet, ain't that shyt taboo where you from?

Yea in this city, I can go out late as it is a city, but after coming home before I logged on I thought should I eat the Curry Chicken with my bare hands and finger your sister or should I do Stew Chicken

 

[69 others]

You saw what you wanted to see

But, yes, those West Indians had children, that wasn’t my point

my point was the West Indian people during Harlem Renaissance and in Louisiana before the civil war, had options to leave these areas when the Great Depression and the civil war hit

That means very little people would have any West Indian in their bloodline in these places cause they had options to leave. A lot Haitians went back to Haiti, California or another country. Very few, if any, came back cause Jim Crow was in full effect, and Louisiana became poor

In Harlem, the Great Depression gave way to the same thing. If hard times come, why would you stay in the country when you can go somewhere else, if not back home?

you must have forgotten that there were not many places blacks could go for a little freedom. Jim Crow was real!

The great depression was global. If the US and England was feeling it, then the Caribbean was definitely going through it. Anyone going back was going back to a worst situation unless they had ownership of something and most of the people that came didn't.
Maybe there were a few that did but I've never seen anything indicating there was a mass exodus of west indians from NYC back to the Caribbean during those days. Also by the time of the great depression a lot of west indians were already second-generation or some came as children and all they knew was NYC. those people were not going anywhere. The great depression was tough but it's not like it was some refuge shyt. a lot of people still managed the eke out a living

A matter of fact the origin of the current day west indian day parade started in harlem in the 1930's. There most have been a community to be able to do that.

Jessie Waddell and some of her West Indian friends started the Carnival in Harlem in the 1930s by staging costume parties in large, enclosed places like the Savoy, Renaissance and Audubon Ballrooms due to the cold wintry weather of February.[2] This is the usual time for the pre-Lenten celebrations of the Trinidad and Tobago Carnival and other related celebrations around the world. However, because of the very nature of Carnival, and the need to parade in costume to music, indoor confinement did not work well.[3]

The earliest known Carnival street parade was held on September 1, 1947. The Trinidad Carnival Pageant Committee was the founding force behind the parade, which was held in Harlem. The parade route was along Seventh Avenue, starting at 110th St.
Harlem's Jessie Waddell, Founder Of The West Indian Carnival, NY 1920's

pic from 1940's though

As for Haitians in Louisiana. I doubt they went back to Haiti given that there were more opportunities in the states. But what make you think they moved to "California or another country" . it's so random. what other country? If you have solid info on this I'll happily read it. but never heard or seen any reference to early Haitians in California. If anything they went to northern cities.

Tether talk.

ALMOST quarter of Harlems "black" population was "foreign born" in the 1920s.

Not the same as what he said.

Gotta watch for how they subtly word shyt like that.

please do tell where those foreign born blacks were from

But back to my original point. Alot of black people in America walking around thinking they're ADOS are in fact west indian. The west indians that came here during the early 1900's didn't just move back or to some other country. Yes many married and had kids with other west indians but over the years many had with AAs. Take Malcolm X for example: AA father and west indian mother.

I'm not saying this to take anything from AAs or anything like that. just stating facts. If you're AA from around NYC, Boston, South Florida etc there is a good chance that you have some west indian heritage.

Most African Americans tend to dismiss immigration records and instead focus on other records held at the National Archives, such as those of the Freedmen’s Bureau, Freedman’s Bank, Southern Claims Commission, and the United States Colored Troops. But if researchers of black American ancestry adhere too rigidly to such assumptions, they may miss valuable information contained in less-than-obvious sources. Many American citizens currently categorized as “black” or African American in the federal censuses potentially have ancestors who were among tens of thousands of immigrants who migrated from the Caribbean region during the first decades of 20th century—roughly from the 1910s into the 1930s, or even earlier.1 These Afro-Caribbean, or “West Indian,”2 immigrants settled primarily in northeastern port cities, with New York City being the top destination. Outside of the Northeast, South Florida was a major destination, mainly for immigrants coming from the Bahamas.
https://www.archives.gov/files/publications/prologue/2013/fall-winter/west-indies.pdf

Even some AA's from mid atlantic states might be of west indian descent as a lot of slaves were brought there from the carribean:

Historically, continuous streams of migration involving people of African descent have moved back and forth between North America and the West Indies. Many of the earliest enslaved blacks in the American colonies were transported to the North American colonies by way of the Caribbean. South Carolina, for instance, was essentially founded in the late 1600s as a mainland extension of the British colony of Barbados when slaveholding families moved to North America to acquire land for new plantations. Those families initially brought their enslaved property with them and imported others from the West Indies. Only later—when its rice and indigo plantations became more prosperous and required more labor—did South Carolinians begin to import large numbers of enslaved Africans directly from the continent.

https://www.archives.gov/files/publications/prologue/2013/fall-winter/west-indies.pdf

Caribbean slaves were more numerous than those from Africa in places such as New York, which was the main slave enclave in the northeastern of the modern-day United States. The number of enslaved Africans imported from the Caribbean decreased after the New York Slave Revolt of 1712, as many white colonists blamed the incident on slaves recently arrived from the Caribbean. Between 1715 and 1741 most of the slaves of the colony remained from the West Antilles (hailing from Jamaica, Barbados and Antigua). After the New York slave revolt of 1741, slaves imported from the Caribbean were severely curtailed, and most enslaved Africans were brought directly from Africa.
West Indian Americans - Wikipedia

None of this is to take away from any of our histories. I find all of this really fascinating

 

[truth2you]

The great depression was global. If the US and England was feeling it, then the Caribbean was definitely going through it. Anyone going back was going back to a worst situation unless they had ownership of something and most of the people that came didn't.
Maybe there were a few that did but I've never seen anything indicating there was a mass exodus of west indians from NYC back to the Caribbean during those days. Also by the time of the great depression a lot of west indians were already second-generation or some came as children and all they knew was NYC. those people were not going anywhere. The great depression was tough but it's not like it was some refuge shyt. a lot of people still managed the eke out a living

A matter of fact the origin of the current day west indian day parade started in harlem in the 1930's. There most have been a community to be able to do that.



As for Haitians in Louisiana. I doubt they went back to Haiti given that there were more opportunities in the states. But what make you think they moved to "California or another country" . it's so random. what other country? If you have solid info on this I'll happily read it. but never heard or seen any reference to early Haitians in California. If anything they went to northern cities.




please do tell where those foreign born blacks were from

But back to my original point. Alot of black people in America walking around thinking they're ADOS are in fact west indian. The west indians that came here during the early 1900's didn't just move back or to some other country. Yes many married and had kids with other west indians but over the years many had with AAs. Take Malcolm X for example: AA father and west indian mother.

I'm not saying this to take anything from AAs or anything like that. just stating facts. If you're AA from around NYC, Boston, South Florida etc there is a good chance that you have some west indian heritage.




Even some AA's from mid atlantic states might be of west indian descent as a lot of slaves were brought there from the carribean:





None of this is to take away from any of our histories. I find all of this really fascinating

I can tell you’re young cause you look at things from a book, not reality

1-I didn’t say it was a mass exodus of West Indians leaving America, I said some left which means lower numbers then it already was. And I was talking about Harlem

2-If you come from an island, why would you stay in America during the Great Depression unless you had to such as being in the Army(which a lot were) or in school(which a lot were). You have food everywhere on an island

3-You’re rewriting history to make the West Indian day parade to be big, it was a small parade. Not knocking it or anything, just telling the truth. Why you think it was so hard to find a new place to do it after it left Harlem? The only reason it’s on eastern parkway is cause that’s the only place that would allow it. The north was racists well!

4-I said Haitians left New Orleans because it was a civil war going on, Louisiana became dirt poor, why would you stay on a land that is at war, you don’t own anything, and you can leave? that’s why I said California or another country or back to Haiti.

California didn’t have slavery like the south, Haiti didn’t have slavery or a war going on. And some could have went to France or other parts of Europe during the war

This is known facts, not my opinion!

5-There we’re over 11,000,000 ADOS/FBA living in America in the early 1900’s. There were no more then over 300,000 black immigrants mostly from the islands. There are very little that are mixed with West Indian. You will find more mixed with Latin cause there were more of them here. West Indians didn’t start growing until the late 1970’s, early 1980’s. You know this cause now you hear the influence on black culture but you didn’t see it before the mid 1980’s. It’s cause it was so few of them

what you’re doing is picking points in history but ignoring other parts that would negate your point!

And, if slaves came here in the 1700’s, that means they were just African not West Indian, they didn’t even build up a unique culture yet cause they were slaves just like all the other Africans throughout the diaspora. By making it seem like we were different at that time is being intellectually dishonest. Our cultures didn’t fully develop until AFTER slavery, so what’s the point of bringing up that up?

 

[Ghost Utmost]

Once we figure out what sub set of Black people is better than all the rest, then what?

Is that one group going to graduate to not being hated globally?

They will have to give out "We are the top Black people" badges so that when you get stopped by a cop or.travel to the Ukraine they will know you're special and not to be mistreated.

I know some of y'all are really stupid so let me spell it out. All this bickering BETWEEN DESCENDANTS OF SLAVES (that's right numb nuts. The Islanders and South American Blacks are in the "new world" for the same reason North American Black people are..) is counterproductive.

Since every person in this world that is considered Black is literally HATED by non Blacks. Globally. We would be at our strongest

Together

This goes for Africans and whoever else has the same problem.

If we want better that is. If you're happy with being in the position we are in then by all means keep playing stupid games

 

[Illuminatos]

Again how tf can you tell someone is West Indian/ADOS unless you ask them? Is dude really going up to every black person and asking them their nationality?

 

[Busby]

Didn't that the twitter user, use to post here on the coli?

Yeah….and i got his original Twitter suspended. Then he came on here posting on every sub forum trying to bait me and then he got banned here.

And if you are reading this yeah…it was me

 

[DEANBIGBROTHERALLMIGHTY18]

Lmao at I don't know what I'm talking about. I used to live there. I was just over there today. White people took over that neighborhood and made it theirs.

Once we figure out what sub set of Black people is better than all the rest, then what?

Is that one group going to graduate to not being hated globally?

They will have to give out "We are the top Black people" badges so that when you get stopped by a cop or.travel to the Ukraine they will know you're special and not to be mistreated.

I know some of y'all are really stupid so let me spell it out. All this bickering BETWEEN DESCENDANTS OF SLAVES (that's right numb nuts. The Islanders and South American Blacks are in the "new world" for the same reason North American Black people are..) is counterproductive.

Since every person in this world that is considered Black is literally HATED by non Blacks. Globally. We would be at our strongest

Together

This goes for Africans and whoever else has the same problem.

If we want better that is. If you're happy with being in the position we are in then by all means keep playing stupid games

Black Americans or ADOS pretty much know this. Black Americans don't like how SOME foreign blacks try to undermine the US and become a WILLING pawn in the white divide and conquer strategy. Especially considering that black Americans fought the hard fight for ALL immigrants especially black immigrants to come to the US.

 

[69 others]

I can tell you’re young cause you look at things from a book, not reality

1-I didn’t say it was a mass exodus of West Indians leaving America, I said some left which means lower numbers then it already was. And I was talking about Harlem

2-If you come from an island, why would you stay in America during the Great Depression unless you had to such as being in the Army(which a lot were) or in school(which a lot were). You have food everywhere on an island

3-You’re rewriting history to make the West Indian day parade to be big, it was a small parade. Not knocking it or anything, just telling the truth. Why you think it was so hard to find a new place to do it after it left Harlem? The only reason it’s on eastern parkway is cause that’s the only place that would allow it. The north was racists well!

4-I said Haitians left New Orleans because it was a civil war going on, Louisiana became dirt poor, why would you stay on a land that is at war, you don’t own anything, and you can leave? that’s why I said California or another country or back to Haiti.

California didn’t have slavery like the south, Haiti didn’t have slavery or a war going on. And some could have went to France or other parts of Europe during the war

This is known facts, not my opinion!

5-There we’re over 11,000,000 ADOS/FBA living in America in the early 1900’s. There were no more then over 300,000 black immigrants mostly from the islands. There are very little that are mixed with West Indian. You will find more mixed with Latin cause there were more of them here. West Indians didn’t start growing until the late 1970’s, early 1980’s. You know this cause now you hear the influence on black culture but you didn’t see it before the mid 1980’s. It’s cause it was so few of them

what you’re doing is picking points in history but ignoring other parts that would negate your point!

And, if slaves came here in the 1700’s, that means they were just African not West Indian, they didn’t even build up a unique culture yet cause they were slaves just like all the other Africans throughout the diaspora. By making it seem like we were different at that time is being intellectually dishonest. Our cultures didn’t fully develop until AFTER slavery, so what’s the point of bringing up that up?

I can tell you’re young cause you look at things from a book, not reality

nah I'm an adult that needs some type of common sense or proof before i take things seriously.

1) Like i said if you have any type of research or studies stating that a significant amount of west indians left harlem during the great depression feel free to show it. I'm not going to argue with you to win an argument. please show something. cause you or i was not there collecting data.

2) "You have food everywhere on an island" ok and? It's not free and definitely not cheaper than America.The US food is way cheaper in the US cause it's the largest food producer cause of the large tracks of flat and fertile land. Some islands of the Caribbean could fit into some farms in America. Most farm land in the island were used for sugarcane, banana, etc and was own by large farmers. Few people could sustain themselves by just farming. if they could why would they even come here in the first place.

3) when did i say the west indian day parade was some massive thing in harlem? All i said that to have search a celebration you need a decent size community to have one.

4) All Haitians that left Haiti during that time didn't go to Louisiana. Many went to eastern cities. So it makes sense that they would join those in the eastern there. but like i said if you have any reference of Haitians in California please share.

5) What latins? Cubans and Puerto Ricans?
bro there were few ricans and cubans in NYC in those times what are you talking about. Ricans only started increasing in 50's.

In 1910, there were fewer than 2,000 Puerto Ricans in the continental U.S., mostly in small enclaves in New York City, and twenty years later there were only 40,000 more.
After the end of the Second World War, however, Puerto Rican migration increased dramatically. In 1945, there had been 13,000 Puerto Ricans in New York City; in 1946 there were more than 50,000.
Migrating to a New Land  |  Puerto Rican/Cuban  |  Immigration and Relocation in U.S. History  |  Classroom Materials at the Library of Congress  |  Library of Congress

like i side if you have contrary info please share. I'm not going to take you word for shyt, no offense

 

[69 others]

Again how tf can you tell someone is West Indian/ADOS unless you ask them? Is dude really going up to every black person and asking them their nationality?

Not sure if this is meant for me. But this is my point exactly when it comes to eastern cities like NYC and Boston and Areas like south florida. But to push it further a lot of people don't even know their full history cause so few actually look into it.
For instance, in the south and midwest you can be pretty sure that if you see a black person that they are most likely AA. But in NYC for even in traditional AA areas there is a good chance that a black person could be a West Indian descent and you and them don't even know it.
Of the descends the West Indians from the early 1900's how much of them intermarried and had kids with AA's they lived alongside over the years. How much even maintain or even know that they have island ancestry? I bet very few.
There are 2nd generation West Indians kids here that you'll think are full AA until they tell you about their background much less the descendants of these people.

 

[69 others]

Black Americans or ADOS pretty much know this. Black Americans don't like how SOME foreign blacks try to undermine the US and become a WILLING pawn in the white divide and conquer strategy. Especially considering that black Americans fought the hard fight for ALL immigrants especially black immigrants to come to the US.

What are you even talking about. Please explain "how SOME foreign blacks try to undermine the US and become a WILLING pawn in the white divide and conquer strategy".
not saying there isn't some West Indians c00ns but it would be a stretch to say there is enough to undermine AA

 

[old boy]

I'm not Jamaican, I am half Grenadian and half St.Lucian.

oh word where your people from in st. lucia? my folks from soufriere & castries though i also got some random relatives in vieux fort too

now as far as this whole tariq shyt goes my nikka he has never told a damn lie about our people or them africans. which i understand makes me in the vast minority lol but i cannot be offended by the absolute truth. lawdhamercy is tariq, yvette, tone, dr. claud anderson, and professor james small right and on point about our folks. we should take it as constructive criticism & pull each other's coats to move different b

 

[truth2you]

nah I'm an adult that needs some type of common sense or proof before i take things seriously.

1) Like i said if you have any type of research or studies stating that a significant amount of west indians left harlem during the great depression feel free to show it. I'm not going to argue with you to win an argument. please show something. cause you or i was not there collecting data.

2) "You have food everywhere on an island" ok and? It's not free and definitely not cheaper than America.The US food is way cheaper in the US cause it's the largest food producer cause of the large tracks of flat and fertile land. Some islands of the Caribbean could fit into some farms in America. Most farm land in the island were used for sugarcane, banana, etc and was own by large farmers. Few people could sustain themselves by just farming. if they could why would they even come here in the first place.

3) when did i say the west indian day parade was some massive thing in harlem? All i said that to have search a celebration you need a decent size community to have one.

4) All Haitians that left Haiti during that time didn't go to Louisiana. Many went to eastern cities. So it makes sense that they would join those in the eastern there. but like i said if you have any reference of Haitians in California please share.

5) What latins? Cubans and Puerto Ricans?
bro there were few ricans and cubans in NYC in those times what are you talking about. Ricans only started increasing in 50's.



like i side if you have contrary info please share. I'm not going to take you word for shyt, no offense

1-if Harlem’s main area was mostly black, and the population was over 216,000 that means only 54,000 were West Indian.

who is gonna do a study to see where 54,000 people went?

2-it’s an island meaning you can go fishing and catch food. You can grow food any damn where! I wasn’t talking about food costs. Lol. And if you make money in America, you can take that money and live good in the islands. I’ve seen people do it all the time, so it’s no question they would do it during the Great Depression! This is common sense! But you just want to argue

3- Yes, but a community of over 300,000 in the whole country is not what you’re trying to imply. You’re saying some ADOS/FBA may be mixed with West Indian when that is barely possible if our population was over 11,000,000 and spread out all over the country?

4- So, you’re really trying to tell me a Haitian freedman is gone go up north to help them fight instead of leaving to go where they would be safe like California or another country? Some even went to Mexico which makes sense being they helped Mexico fight the Spanish against slavery

5- you want to be right so bad that you’re not understanding what you’re reading

my point was it was more Puerto Rican’s in nyc then West Indians throughout its WHOLE HISTORY prior to 1990’s that a black American has a higher chance of having them in their bloodline then a West Indian. It’s not a dis, it’s the facts!

I’m done cause you need to learn more in this cause I can tell you don’t know the whole story, and nuances of black American history, so you are conflating certain things such as West Indian population in America, which is very important to the story. A few can’t represent many!