Teacher quits to work at Walmart for 12k raise

[Cakebatter]

Ummmm not really, I will say kids has gotten worse after Covid break, the parents as well, I’m just tired of working with the public , I want to get into tech, I have no clue how tho

The most common way to get into tech is learning to code via boot camp or self taught, but Cyber Security is blowing up and there are legit programs at many Community Colleges. The need for it is only growing, so I'd start looking there.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

$55,000 as a store manager ain’t shyt.


Dude got a degree and teaching experience. If he can’t flip that into at least 80 - 90k then he doing something wrong.

He’s definitely not a store manager. Store managers make 100k and bonus 100% of they salary if they store do good

 

[CW_1991]

Don't blame him.

I believe store managers make like 6 figures.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

these aren't bad wages

Did you see the college thread where I posted average salaries by degree? Average salary in USA for a Bachelor's is $69,000 and average for a Master's is $80,000. Teachers by mid-career end up pretty evenly split between the two. So the average teacher salary of $58,000 or so is a good $10,000 below that Bachelor's average and $20,000 below that Master's average.

If you're in a cushy, low-stress suburban job where the students are generally at grade level and disciplinary issues are manageable plus you're far enough away from the city to find affordable housing prices, that sort of salary might be adequate to get sufficient teachers. In the inner city? You're completely fukked. Zero chance you'll get sufficiently skilled people to teach all your kids that way.


And those averages are for all teachers, but remember that STEM teachers get paid the same as others in the classroom but get paid MUCH more in the private sector. So you're even more screwed attracting talent there.

 

[Supa cat]

Ummmm not really, I will say kids has gotten worse after Covid break, the parents as well, I’m just tired of working with the public , I want to get into tech, I have no clue how tho

What kind of tech? Nah I feel you tho lockdowns made this people not know how to act anymore

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I no longer complain about teachers being underpaid.

because i have noticed that at every institution where the teachers are paid well, the tuition is super expensive and unaffordable for most students.

can't have it both ways unfortunately. them broke ass teachers give an opportunity for broke ass students to get educations.

Your post confuses me. Aren't we primarily talking about public and charter schools here, where 80-90% of American kids get their education?

Teachers are very well paid in Chicago and other cities. Overpaid in my opinion, especially here. But some places, they are underpaid I imagine. But only some. And that depends on the cost of living in that area and comparable salaries of other professionals.

That's demonstrably untrue because Chicago has a massive teacher shortage. If you can't even recruit enough teachers to fill your classrooms then by definition they're underpaid.

Martwick Measure to Tackle Chicago Teacher Shortage becomes Law - Senator Robert Martwick

SPRINGFIELD – A measure advanced by Senator Robert Martwick to address Illinois’ ever-growing teacher shortage by bringing back retired educators …

senatormartwick.com

New survey shows worsening teacher shortage in Illinois

According to the latest survey by the Illinois Association of Regional Superintendents of...

www.myjournalcourier.com

Chicago area school districts facing Black teacher shortage, struggling with retention rates

If you are a student of color in Illinois there's a good chance your teacher does not look like you.

abc7chicago.com

1 In 3 Chicago Public Schools Went Without A Teacher For a Year​

This is the stark reality in Chicago Public Schools. Last school year, almost a third of 520 district-run schools — 152 — had at least one regular education or special education teacher position open all year long, a WBEZ analysis shows.

The problem is most acute at schools serving low-income and black students. They are twice as likely as all other schools to have a yearlong teacher vacancy. Chicago's 28 schools with majority white student populations had no yearlong vacancies.

And making matters worse CPS also has a severe substitute teacher shortage, a WBEZ analysis shows. At 62 schools, half the time a teacher was absent no substitute showed up.


Chicago Public School officials acknowledge the problems filling substitute requests and teacher vacancies. They also note that just because there's a vacancy doesn't mean students miss instruction. Principals will usually make sure students get some work and they will do their best to work with the teachers they have, officials say.

But students, parents, teachers and community organizers tell stories of students not having math, English, gym, Spanish or special education support for months at a time, if not an entire year.

One parent, who wanted to remain anonymous, said when her child's school couldn't fill one of two sixth-grade teacher positions, the one teacher took on all 57 students in that grade.

 

[Sterling Archer]

That's demonstrably untrue because Chicago has a massive teacher shortage. If you can't even recruit enough teachers to fill your classrooms then by definition they're underpaid.

Martwick Measure to Tackle Chicago Teacher Shortage becomes Law - Senator Robert Martwick

SPRINGFIELD – A measure advanced by Senator Robert Martwick to address Illinois’ ever-growing teacher shortage by bringing back retired educators …

senatormartwick.com

New survey shows worsening teacher shortage in Illinois

According to the latest survey by the Illinois Association of Regional Superintendents of...

www.myjournalcourier.com

Chicago area school districts facing Black teacher shortage, struggling with retention rates

If you are a student of color in Illinois there's a good chance your teacher does not look like you.

abc7chicago.com

1 In 3 Chicago Public Schools Went Without A Teacher For a Year

WBEZ found a Chicago teacher and substitute shortage doesn't hit all schools equally. It's most acute at schools serving black students.

www.npr.org

I can see your logic behind that but I disagree. I place value on the quality of work, not the scarcity of the worker. Specific to Chicago, there are many factors regarding the teachers union and the issues of why there may be a teacher shortage but here, its not due to teachers being poorly compensated.

 

[Luke Cage]

Your post confuses me. Aren't we primarily talking about public and charter schools here, where 80-90% of American kids get their education?

Nothing confusing about what i said.
They either underpay the teachers and make the school accessible to everyone, or the teachers are paid well, but the inaccessible to all but the wealthiest of families.

Can't think of any examples where a teacher got paid a lot and school wasn't also very expensive to attend.

No making any points about whether this is right or wrong, just an observation.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I can see your logic behind that but I disagree. I place value on the quality of work, not the scarcity of the worker.

But you don't get quality work if you pay shyt wages.



If you're talking about the "potential" value of the work, it already been shown that the societal value of the teacher is FAR beyond what teachers are paid.

The Case for $320,000 Kindergarten Teachers (Published 2010)

A new study found students with better teachers learned more in kindergarten — and earned more as young adults.

www.nytimes.com

Imagine if you only paid engineers $40,000 a year, got shytty engineers as a result, then complained that engineers were overpaid cause all the bridges kept falling down.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Nothing confusing about what i said.
They either underpay the teachers and make the school accessible to everyone, or the teachers are paid well, but the inaccessible to all but the wealthiest of families.

Can't think of any examples where a teacher got paid a lot and school wasn't also very expensive to attend.

No making any points about whether this is right or wrong, just an observation.

But....public school is free in America....so......?

 

[Sterling Archer]

But you don't get quality work if you pay shyt wages.



If you're talking about the "potential" value of the work, it already been shown that the societal value of the teacher is FAR beyond what teachers are paid.

The Case for $320,000 Kindergarten Teachers (Published 2010)

A new study found students with better teachers learned more in kindergarten — and earned more as young adults.

www.nytimes.com

Imagine if you only paid engineers $40,000 a year, got shytty engineers as a result, then complained that engineers were overpaid cause all the bridges kept falling down.

But teachers here in Chicago dont get paid shyt wages. Im not speaking about potential value. Chicago in general has a poorly rated public school system with the exception of like 2...but one of the most powerful teachers unions that go on strike almost every year for more and more with no results to demand it. Being rewarded constantly for incompetence and mediocrity.

 

[Luke Cage]

But....public school is free in America....so......?

Public school teachers are also not paid very much so....

I'm still not understanding your confusion here. were am i tripping you up?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Public school teachers are also not paid very much so....

I'm still not understanding your confusion here. were am i tripping you up?

When people are talking about teachers being underpaid, they are talking about public schools. Which are the only schools relevant to most of us. Increasing teacher pay won't change tuition for a single student there because tuition is free.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

But teachers here in Chicago dont get paid shyt wages. Im not speaking about potential value. Chicago in general has a poorly rated public school system with the exception of like 2...but one of the most powerful teachers unions that go on strike almost every year for more and more with no results to demand it. Being rewarded constantly for incompetence and mediocrity.

If mediocre, incompetent teachers were being "rewarded" for doing little work, it would be the easiest to fill job in the city. People would be moving in from all over to get cushy jobs in Chicago.

The fact that they can't fill those positions is proof that you're full of shyt. How do you expect them to actually attract the level of candidate capable of doing a good job if they don't pay a salary commiserate with the difficulty, stress, and skill level required to do that sort of work?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

All schooling will be online in the future. College campuses will be for events.

That sounds like a horrible dystopia. The inferiority of online education has been proved over and over and the pandemic situation really drove that shyt home. Education researchers and psychologists have known this for decades (there's a ton of research on how much communication is lost when you remove in-person contact), and if that gets ignored we're fukking ourselves over. A certain minority of the population will adapt fine while the majority end up even more undereducated than they already are, not just on an academic level but also on a social-emotional level.

Going that direction would probably be a pit stop on the way to societal collapse.