Tech Industry job layoffs looking scary

[Everything Zen]

No need for that. it's not for me. I said 'to give folks an idea'. There's obviously a lot of folks reading the thread trying to figure out what the situation is with the tech job market .

Just saying "it's easy yall. my boy rolled outta bed with Nvidia flying him out while he put Meta on hold. you can do it too" dont help anybody without any context to go along with it. because it's not as simple as just going to the website, filling out an application and clicking submit.

giving some background info would be way more helpful. e.g. how many years of experience? what skills? what roles did he have before? data science? ai/ml?

no names or locations are needed for any of that

im not a regular in this thread so forgive me if he's actually spittin, but buddy's posts sounds like some non sequitur ass "pull up your bootstraps and hustle" type shyt lol

 

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@Rick Fox at UNC you are not a developer right?

 

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im fukking exhausted

3rd round lunch interview... i lost money and took time off for that bullshyt, brehs. tired of grinnin at these cacs for the opportunity to be underpaid and forced into showing face at some hick ass office with a bunch of neanderthals.

i had one of these idiot employers ask five interviews of me last month for a fukking desktop support job like they're paying six figures for a management tier FAANG role or something lmao. maybe im just in my feelings right now, but it feels like a particularly nasty time to be a brother in IT.

i know that everyone is feeling the strain rn, but as per usual, we get hit first and we get hit the hardest.

I feel u my guy. Sorry to hear that. I’ve been in your shoes countless times. Did they offer any feedback ? Do you think there are any areas in which you think you could do better? Did you make it to the final round?

(I know sometimes or often times they play games and look for any small, minute reason to eliminate a candidate.)

 

[Rick Fox at UNC]

@Rick Fox at UNC you are not a developer right?

Used to be developer at FAANG.

Now more in the quant space, still the same...on steroids, plus math/stats.

You?

 

[Rick Fox at UNC]

im not a regular in this thread so forgive me if he's actually spittin, but buddy's posts sounds like some non sequitur ass "pull up your bootstraps and hustle" type shyt lol

Actually, it's the opposite.

Shut the fukk up and build the real skills is what I'm saying.

 

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Trying to get anything serious done in Europe is an absolute joke. Anything from eating a late meal, renting a storage unit, or getting a motorcycle fixed is frustrating.

really?

U.S. is truly cutting edge when it comes to efficiency and innovation, it's not even close. If you have any talent/skill/drive in the space, you're either working in the U.S. or working for a U.S. based tech or financial firm in Europe. Many companies have a strong presence in Ireland and Switzerland and there is obviously some innovation in and around Eindhoven.

there is a lot more than that. albeit smaller and guarded.

Also, cost of living is crazy without the salary to match.

it is in switzerland.

If you're not on track to hit Director or VP or whatever, could see the appeal of deepening your skillset for 10 years in the U.S. then "retiring" (working the traditional 40 hour week) to a nordic country, Switzerland, or say, the northern coast of France (Le Havre, etc.).

what's in le havre?

 

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Used to be developer at FAANG.

Now more in the quant space, still the same...on steroids, plus math/stats.

your comments on coding didn't seem like a techie developer to me.

for example quant development is not like "FAANG on steroids". if anything FAANG is more technically intricate whereas quant stuff is more concerned with numbers and potentially but not always high speed.

You?

IB developer (mostly) since graduation. some FO but mostly front-to-back located in BO. never a quant but had the chance to be a structurer. didn't take it.

I develop mainly in c++, java, some c# (as part of a trading platform stack ONLY) and some capital markets front-to-back trading systems

 

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Thoughts @JT-Money

 

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Nah. Maybe for this hyptohical python position you should know the diffrence between a copy and a refecence when talking about programming. Anything more deeper than that is an example of the interviewer fukking with you to try to make themselves seem smarter than they are.

actually i'd like interviewers to do that but they don't do that as much these days as they used to. they more rely on leet etc.

Some days I wish you could interview the interviewer back. It be a one way street.

I remember I had an interviewer keep asking me about using Reflection. I eventually got fed up and asked them an example of where they use Reflection at work both of them goofys started fumbling over their words and started stuttering.

example:

relector is useful for examining C# vendor code. it helps you figure out how to change core behaviour in their code.

https://www.red-gate.com/products/reflector/

an example was where i replaced a delegate in an infragistics based grid to hijack and replace their callback.

Infragistics UI Controls and Tools For Developers and UX Pros

Infragistics is your source for UI controls & components for JavaScript/HTML5, Xamarin, ASP.NET, Windows Forms, and WPF.

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i actually wanted to replace the delegate method but you can't (couldn't) do that.

the delegate was one of several in an array of type System.MulticastDelegate[]

so i created a new MulticastDelegate[] , copied delegates over (minus the one to be replaced) and added my newly hand crafted delegate (handler).

then reflected the new MulticastDelegate[] in place.

fieldInfo.SetValue(this.name, (System.MulticastDelegate) System.MulticastDelegate.Combine(handlers));

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I used disassembly to locate where to change Java xerces lib so that it could parse multiple documents at once.

never did complete that one though ...

 

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Nothing to be angry about. Sales has always been an industry with a lot of upside that requires no experience and has no barrier to entry other than persistence.

The whole industry is basically one big charm offensive.

a tech sales guy that i know doesn't know why working on windows vs. working on linux might be important to a developer.

and doesn't really understand when you explain it.

that's pretty standard from what i have seen

 

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If you interviewing for a data science position where you use python everyday, ok of course you should know the ends and out of python.

but if then they start asking you about some obscure math library written in C. Then start asking you C pointer questions and use that as an excuse to not hire you. They didn't want to hire you in the first place or looking for some unicorn that doesn't exist. If I was that smart why would I be trying to work here instead of doing my own thing?

you are 100% right and @Rick Fox at UNC is being disingenuous. anyone who has good IT dev industry experience knows that there are ALWAYS questions that an interviewer can as you that you don't know. there are always gotchas. that is the nature of technology and why manuals, stack and now AI are ever-presents.

it is always possible to design questions that an interviewee will near-100% not know or might stumble with. does anyone on earth (ex awk specialists) know complex awk syntax by heart? you can always dig deeper or further to trip someone up.

 

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Even here. So, I may not know every obscure math library written in C...but.

the first thing you might want to comment on is that it should be written in c++. or better said COMPILED with a c++ compiler, written in c-like c++/

This is just me winging it in 10 seconds.

I know the reason code is generally written in C over Python. I imagine there is some need for speed or low-latency code. I might discuss low latency platforms and where/how they are used. I might discuss the players in the space. I would discuss that and ask questions.

i don't think that would be what they are looking for. they would want you to explain how the c code presents efficiencies that python does not. memory management, pointers, contiguous values ...

I would ask what the library itself is used for then discuss alternative libraries in python and how I've worked with those. Maybe I've written a similar library myself. Discuss.

which would be missing the efficiency point of the question.

If asked about pointers, I can go in depth on pointers as they are a foundational aspect of modern programming.

no they are not. memory references are something which the industry has "in modern times" tried to get rid of. certainly memory references that are entirely the responsibility and control of the programmer.

pointers are a "foundational aspect" of legacy and ultra low level programming.

So even then, not knowing the actual library was an entry point to showing domain expertise and deductive reasoning. I understand the way broadly, they know I can go specific.

 

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People don't get it. Think it's because dude was asian.

you don't think that there is a racial element to how different races are perceived at interview?

especially outside of the US where legal protections are scant.

add to that 1. physical attributes and 2. the amorphous category of "fit"

fit is a particular issues in cultures like the anglo one with high variance and high social factors at work.

less so in germany (as in personality fit).

 

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If some guy has a 2-4 year head start, yea, he looks like a genius because he no longer has to worry about vernacular and nailing down basic concepts.

there was an older gringo in my UG class and he definitely had an experience based advantage over a lot of the class. and he was more focused.

 

[Rick Fox at UNC]

you don't think that there is a racial element to how different races are perceived at interview?

especially outside of the US where legal protections are scant.

add to that 1. physical attributes and 2. the amorphous category of "fit"

fit is a particular issues in cultures like the anglo one with high variance and high social factors at work.

less so in germany (as in personality fit).

Maybe. Maybe Not. This goes back to, are you a serious person worthy of respect?

"If I sit down with someone for 30 minutes, they don't leave feeling like, you know, 'he's not serious' or 'he doesn't know what he's talking about' or 'he's not intelligent' or 'he can't communicate,' at the end of it, you know, they're fine."
- Damola Adamolekun

"What matters is, you become the person that you want to be, and you do the things that are important for you to become that, and you demand the respect of who you are. You gotta demand that yourself."

Going back to my response, the poster didn't know how to elaborate on what he was being asked and he didn't know how to properly communicate that lack of knowledge in a positive manner.

Even in interviews where I ultimately didn't get the job, "you're extremely articulate, you should be teaching this stuff."