Tech Industry job layoffs looking scary

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I think the overall point is being misunderstood.

I'm not being insensitive to what others are experiencing. It's more an attempt to add context for those who want it. It's really easy to get caught up in a negative, doom-and-gloom loop. The algorithm is programmed to feed it to you. It's all around.

Are there reasons to hedge? Of course. Be prepared for a downturn? Absolutely. But my overall point is if you're serious about what you do, there continue to be plenty of opportunities in the space. Companies, the largest and most profitable among them, are dying to locate and hire talented and skilled engineers.

Including stories about my homie, who is a black dude with an 8th grade education, who is always fukking around opportunities a lot of people would consider "great" (but is overall serious about his work), is simply one way of illustrating the point.



That's fair, but again, context is needed.

We expect post-COVID correction in tech hiring trends, considering how much everything scaled during COVID. But even with said correction, the numbers are still up over a seven year period. Many of these roles, especially non-engineering roles, are simply no longer needed.

That dilettantes, or humanities majors, or people without hard skills, are having a harder time getting interviews at hardcore tech firms is sort of not interesting to me.

Outsourcing and AI paranoia are worth discussing. But balance and context is more important than ever.
Man… idk about that… a balance? I want to be optimistic but the job numbers don’t support your “balance”

Recent years… this is the highest number of layoffs I’ve ever seen… taking months or years to land something else.

Your boy with an 8th grade education also made it into a top company…. Even if you aren’t the best, having that name on your resume means a ton vs. being a CEO of joes BBQ and tech.
 

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This is a huge waste of water and electricity :snoop:
There really needs to be regulations put on the usage of AI but of course we know the regulatory agencies are bought out by the people profiting off of AI slop so it wont change anytime soon.
The only good thing coming about now is companies are no longer able to drive their share prices up just by claiming huge investments in AI shareholders are starting to expect them to produce. When the AI fails to do all the fancy use cases like deleting 80% devs and gets exposed as another tool we'll see a huge shift.

For us devs the threat is offshore hires. And while covid allowed folks to job hop and make a lot of money, it also allowed companies the green light to implement infrastructures that could support working from anywhere in the world remotely. But they'll disguise the layoffs as AI related even though forced AI tool usage has been shown to actually slow down senior developers.
I hope there is an AI bubble
 

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Man… idk about that… a balance? I want to be optimistic but the job numbers don’t support your “balance”

Recent years… this is the highest number of layoffs I’ve ever seen… taking months or years to land something else.

Your boy with an 8th grade education also made it into a top company…. Even if you aren’t the best, having that name on your resume means a ton vs. being a CEO of joes BBQ and tech.

I think we need to bound the conversation. What are we talking about here?

Majority of stats being discussed are about what the absolute largest and most cutting-edge technology firms are doing. Again, that people without hard skills are having issues landing jobs at some of the most prestigious tech firms isn't saying much.

During many cycles, these places are harder to get into than even the most elite universities. 0.5% - 2% acceptance rates, depending on role and level.

The guys posting and commenting on these stats have never worked these firms; most never made it past the screener.

Your time is better spent building hard skills and leveling up.
 

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Computer science used to be a golden ticket to a lucrative career. Now graduates can’t get a job​


For the first time in 50 years, college grads are losing their edge​


I graduated December 2020. Luckily I pivoted from the computer science realm to IT.

Took me like 3-6 months to get a simple help desk job after graduating. I know its tougher now.
 

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I graduated December 2020. Luckily I pivoted from the computer science realm to IT.

Took me like 3-6 months to get a simple help desk job after graduating. I know its tougher now.
All these tech jobs are going overseas. The ones that aren't are stolen by body shops via work visa scams. US tech graduates are totally unaware of all the employment fraud going on with these work visas.



 

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got hired at NASA HQ as a contractor for a senior IT project manager position in May ‘24. Dream job, huge scope and impact across the entire Agency. 🍊 gets elected a few months later and begins dismantling the federal workforce. My chief and deputy chief took the early retirement, my organization is disbanded and split up, and they start de-scoping the contract that I work on. I got my layoff notice this past December 1st.

Been applying like a maniac everyday all day, gone through a few round of interviews with no luck…

Got stood up for a job interview a few weeks ago, so I cold emailed the HR dept asking wtf? They apologized saying the recruiter left the company, rescheduled, did the first two phone rounds last week, had the in-person yesterday…got a job offer shortly after :blessed:
 

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All these tech jobs are going overseas. The ones that aren't are stolen by body shops via work visa scams. US tech graduates are totally unaware of all the employment fraud going on with these work visas.




It sucks becuase it kind've leaves you stuck on how you should manage your future.

I'm in a good help desk position now. Obviously want to do more but out of most of the positions, I feel like help desk/desktop support is KIND"VE safe right now. RIGHT NOW.
 

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It sucks becuase it kind've leaves you stuck on how you should manage your future.

I'm in a good help desk position now. Obviously want to do more but out of most of the positions, I feel like help desk/desktop support is KIND"VE safe right now. RIGHT NOW.
I'm gone be real with you, in our company that's one of the departments being targeted first. We've already dumbed down the requirements for the job to the point that they are basically reading a script for calls that come in and if the problem doesn't fit one of the pre-existing problems it gets bumped to our tier 2 support team. One of the first things with AI we are looking to do is make it so that the customers basically have access to that same script and can search commonly asked problems and find the answer on their own. That'll end up minimizing support calls and make tier 1 support unnecessary for the most part.
 

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I'm gone be real with you, in our company that's one of the departments being targeted first. We've already dumbed down the requirements for the job to the point that they are basically reading a script for calls that come in and if the problem doesn't fit one of the pre-existing problems it gets bumped to our tier 2 support team. One of the first things with AI we are looking to do is make it so that the customers basically have access to that same script and can search commonly asked problems and find the answer on their own. That'll end up minimizing support calls and make tier 1 support unnecessary for the most part.
I can definitely see more of that happening in bigger orgs.

In most orgs, especially the smaller ones, it's going to take a while for AI and scripting to completely wipe out the white glove experience and deskside support as a whole.
 
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