Technical lyricism lost popularity because it was perfected over a decade, almost 2 decades ago.

[Zero]

Real talk anyone who puts Face in their top five most likely got the idea from someone else and wanted to seem like they're on their shyt

Like don't get me wrong, Scarface has a great discography, but I feel the same way. He's the typical go-to name when people want to list southern legends along with UGK and Outkast/Goodie Mob. Great rappers but those are the ONLY ones they know and it makes you go

 

[GreenGhxst]

Masta Ace and Edo G are probably some of the best lyricist, listen to this shyt brehs

 

[Rice N Beans]

As long as Canibus is alive we're always at peak lyricism.

 

[havoc]

Masta Ace and Edo G are probably some of the best lyricist, listen to this shyt brehs

Dope track

 

[GreenGhxst]

Dope track

yeah breh Masta Ace doesn't get enough credit, Eminem was heavily influenced by him

 

[The Ruler 09]

I feel you somewhat. To me, technicality is just the opposite of creativity. I agree that flow can also factor into technicality, but theres also a creative side to it just how there are technical/creative sides to rhyming. I would say creative would encompass anything that is subjective, or up to the opinion of others on it's quality, while technicality can be measures, exact, and definite. I mean I get you have your own definition but the dictionary literally defines it as "a point of law or a small detail of a set of rules." The other things you mentioned I would label as purely creative, because they all are based on opinion, even melody (because our music is only attuned to western ears). If someone can fairly disagree with you on the matter then I dont think it can be considered a technical aspect.

Technical defined as....

1. relating to a particular subject, art, or craft, or its techniques.
   "technical terms"
   
   Lyricism says...
   
   an artist's expression of emotion in an imaginative and beautiful way; the quality of being lyrical.
   

 

[Reebok Jones]

Technical defined as....

1. relating to a particular subject, art, or craft, or its techniques.
   "technical terms"
   
   Lyricism says...
   
   an artist's expression of emotion in an imaginative and beautiful way; the quality of being lyrical.

i said technicality, not technical

technical prolly has like 5 different definitions tbh

and its pure coincidence i opened this thread this morning and you only just responded with this

and you still don't get what i'm saying.... i keep agreeing that lyricism takes creative skill as well... you aren't reading my shyt correctly

 

[Reebok Jones]

Nowadays the best in technical lyricism alone IMO are Roc Marc and Ka

 

[PhonZhi]

How is lyricism "perfected"? The boundaries can always be pushed forward

Old stuff back in the day that used to have me like is now when I listen to it today.

Its kinda like Ps2 games that was when it first dropped because of the graphics are now compared to the Ps4

 

[Reebok Jones]

How is lyricism "perfected"? The boundaries can always be pushed forward

Old stuff back in the day that used to have me like is now when I listen to it today.

Its kinda like Ps2 games that was when it first dropped because of the graphics are now compared to the Ps4

read my comments throughout the thread b... i define technical lyrcisim as the objective qualities of lyricism, not the creative qualities. Such as measure of verses that are rhyming

i never once said "lyricism" on its own

 

[The Ruler 09]

i said technicality, not technical

technical prolly has like 5 different definitions tbh

and its pure coincidence i opened this thread this morning and you only just responded with this

Thread title says technical.

Technicality is a completely different word with a completely different meaning, it's not even something that in most cases would be used in regards to lyricism. Technical is more apt, I think you may have got the words confused bro.

All good though, I see where you're coming from to a degree, I just personally feel you have to include all elements that go into the craft as technical, like we should be able to appreciate Twista's technical ability and Rakim's even though they are both different, many ways to do things, even from a technical perspective.

 

[Reebok Jones]

Thread title says technical.

Technicality is a completely different word with a completely different meaning, it's not even something that in most cases would be used in regards to lyricism. Technical is more apt, I think you may have got the words confused bro.

All good though, I see where you're coming from to a degree, I just personally feel you have to include all elements that go into the craft as technical, like we should be able to appreciate Twista's technical ability and Rakim's even though they are both different, many ways to do things, even from a technical perspective.

No I understand where you're coming from. I'm talking about the technicality of lyricism, but it's generally just titled "technical lyricism" and like we discussed "technical" has multiple definitions but imo in this context its referring to specifically technicality, not technique.

 

[PhonZhi]

read my comments throughout the thread b... i define technical lyrcisim as the objective qualities of lyricism, not the creative qualities. Such as measure of verses that are rhyming

i never once said "lyricism" on its own

I'm speaking strictly "technical" skills. You can take that new Eminem song he released 2 weeks ago and it pretty much shyts on most stuff he spit in the 90s from a purely technical standpoint. He's still growing and evolving his technical display.

I don't think people got tired if it because it was "perfected" either. I just think that the masses aren't given much of a choice as far as whats crammed down their throats in the mainstream.