Teddy Riley vs Babyface on IG Live (Rematch on Monday @ 8PM ET)

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Teddy did Wild Wild West as well I believe.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Why are people misconstruing Phonte's statement to mean that Teddy had jams and Babyface only had hits. He never mentioned names. When ya'll do this, it is more an indictment on you for turning it into that because for one, it shows ignorance to the catalog of both parties. More importantly, it shows an ignorance to Black music as a whole. Ballads are just as much a spiritual experience and could be considered a jam. These are songs that many of us slow dances to at prom and might've created children to, but these songs are being dismissed because they aren't uptempo.

The exact mindset that has ballads (as well as romantic/vulnerable lyrics) missing from music today. Like if I can’t running man, twerk, or do a Tik Tok dance to it, it’s not dope.

 

[Tribal Outkast]

Y’all really running with this silly jam vs hit thing. Both had both. And a jam is subjective, the reason why “that’s my jam” gets yelled out to a variety of songs, jams tend to be more personal, whether it was a hit or album cut

Word.. The majority of Riley and Face songs are getting turned up no matter which one plays in 2020.. that’s all that matters. And yeah, my jams might be different than your jams, it’s all subjective.,

 

[JustCKing]

I agree with everything ur saying but CHILLL with this bullshyt here in the bold.

It's crazy that people are dismissing that song. It's like anything that isn't Off The Wall, Thriller, or Bad era is written off. I mean someone actually said we only like "Remember The Times" for the iconic video. If the song didn't exist to inspire the visuals, there would not have been an iconic video. Therefore, if that video is iconic, the song is iconic by default.

 

[spliz]

The exact mindset that has ballads (as well as romantic/vulnerable lyrics) missing from music today. Like if I can’t running man, twerk, or do a Tik Tok dance to it, it’s not dope.

Imma keep it real. I think R Kelly unintentionally did this. He kinda went in with the “thug in the club” blurred lines shyt that Trey Songz and later Chris Brown became popular for. The genre ended up turning into that. Meanwhile Kellz was still capable of doing other shyt but a lot of these other “RnB” artist didn’t have the writing ability. It def changed the way young people look at RnB.

 

[#1 pick]

It's impossible for me to choose anyone besides babyface even if NJS was my favorite R&B era. Babyface Toni Braxton cuts, Boomerang and Bobby Brown album are ATGs.

 

[spliz]

It's crazy that people are dismissing that song. It's like anything that isn't Off The Wall, Thriller, or Bad era is written off. I mean someone actually said we only like "Remember The Times" for the iconic video. If the song didn't exist to inspire the visuals, there would not have been an iconic video. Therefore, if that video is iconic, the song is iconic by default.

Exactly. I never heard a black person shyt on Remember The Time in my entire life. No bullshyt.

 

[#1 pick]

The exact mindset that has ballads (as well as romantic/vulnerable lyrics) missing from music today. Like if I can’t running man, twerk, or do a Tik Tok dance to it, it’s not dope.

Young people do not make love anymore. It's all about fukking with this gen.

 

[Waterproof]

Why are people misconstruing Phonte's statement to mean that Teddy had jams and Babyface only had hits. He never mentioned names. When ya'll do this, it is more an indictment on you for turning it into that because for one, it shows ignorance to the catalog of both parties. More importantly, it shows an ignorance to Black music as a whole. Ballads are just as much a spiritual experience and could be considered a jam. These are songs that many of us slow dances to at prom and might've created children to, but these songs are being dismissed because they aren't uptempo.

You is a dishonest Negro go to his thread he clearly made a distinction between the 2

This literally after the first post


And after he made more which implies that Riley had Jams and Face Hits

 

[JustCKing]

Exactly. I never heard a black person shyt on Remember The Time in my entire life. No bullshyt.

And I threw the song on at a family gathering and there was a child dancing to it who was barely of age when MJ died.

 

[JustCKing]

You is a dishonest Negro go to his thread he clearly made a distinction between the 2

This literally after the first post


And after he made more which implies that Riley had Jams and Face Hits

And if he's making such a distinction, someone needs to check his credentials.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Imma keep it real. I think R Kelly unintentionally did this. He kinda went in with the “thug in the club” blurred lines shyt that Trey Songz and later Chris Brown became popular for. The genre ended up turning into that. Meanwhile Kellz was still capable of doing other shyt but a lot of these other “RnB” artist didn’t have the writing ability. It def changed the way young people look at RnB.

Breezy and Trey also both had plenty of ballads., I don’t think it’s an artist thing so much as a generational one. won’t get into it, but social media, reality tv and a highly divorced cohort of late baby boomers and gen x, fukked up the perception of what love, vulnerability and commitment mean to young people, and that’s reflected in music...plus rap fully taking over as the dominant black music by the mid 00’s

 

[JustCKing]

This whole jams vs hits argument is dumber than the whole "Nas is an MC and Jay is just a rapper" argument. BOTH are MC's, but Jay was being dismissed for being more commercial. The same way people dismiss Nas by saying he has no bangers ("Made You Look" anyone).

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

You is a dishonest Negro go to his thread he clearly made a distinction between the 2

This literally after the first post


And after he made more which implies that Riley had Jams and Face Hits

You’re trying to steer what you want to paint as an objective conversation off some subjective tweets from Phonte?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

The exact mindset that has ballads (as well as romantic/vulnerable lyrics) missing from music today. Like if I can’t running man, twerk, or do a Tik Tok dance to it, it’s not dope.

yeah, that's pretty much how you can tell who knows their R&B, pre and post, hiphop. The ones who have the post-hiphop tuned ear are the ones who keep associating R&B ballads with "Pop"

Imma keep it real. I think R Kelly unintentionally did this. He kinda went in with the “thug in the club” blurred lines shyt that Trey Songz and later Chris Brown became popular for. The genre ended up turning into that. Meanwhile Kellz was still capable of doing other shyt but a lot of these other “RnB” artist didn’t have the writing ability. It def changed the way young people look at RnB.

facts