Ten Commandments monument destroyed day after installation at Arkansas Capitol

[Alpha Male]

your post was rhetorical of course i'd rather the one who was afraid of the sky, in that scenario. and if someone was about to burn me at the stake because god said they "shall not suffer a witch to live", id rather the other person in your scenario

so if you dont trust anyone that doesnt abide by the ten commandments, what about the billions who worship other gods before the one in the bible is it just fukk all of them?

every civilization has had their own gods and their own mythology. the commandments are just a set of principles.

if your core belief system co-signs killing, stealing, etc then yes its fukk you.

 

[the cac mamba]

Christianity does not make people ignorant. The Bible teaches us to be tolerant of others and to accept strangers living amongst us as our own. How is that ignorance?

because you're picking and choosing, and failing to mention the parts you know are embarrassing

 

[the cac mamba]

every civilization has had their own gods and their own mythology. the commandments are just a set of principles.
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i was under the impression there were serious consequences

 

[NoMayo15]

okay so let's say you dropped your wallet on the street somewhere and there was 500 dollars in it.

lets assume there are no witnesses and no cameras in sight. if someone finds it and they don't report it, that person has the opportunity to walk away with an instant 500 dollars.

as the wallet owner who are you hoping is the one that finds it?


a) a god fearing individual that feels morally obligated to return the wallet.

b) a non-believer that doesn't fear cosmic judgement and is only afraid of punishment by other humans.

There is not enough information here to conclude whose more likely to return your wallet.

I know the assumption you're making is the god-fearing person would return it. But isn't he just as likely to take it as "a blessing from god", and keep the money? Or maybe he's feeling particularly altruistic, and donates it to a church to fund their mission trip in Peru. I mean, I could come up with a dozen different scenarios the former might be more likely to do something else with the money than return it to the original owner. My point is one's belief and/or fear of a god doesn't tell you anything about how moral someone is, or how they'd behave in any given situation. In some cases it might be more likely for the secular person to do the "good" thing. Your automatic distrust of them is not justified.

 

[Alpha Male]

This is precisely the consequence cacmamba was referring to when he mentioned a "harmful narrative". If you believe you can fully determine the character of a person based solely on such an arbitrary stance, you're an idiot, and I wish Christians would stop perpetuating this myth.

if you don't believe you answer to anyone or anything, if you are completely unafraid of 'cosmic balance' and/or 'cosmic justice'... then yes it is safe to say you might lack some humility.

 

[Anwulika]

because you're picking and choosing, and failing to mention the parts you know are embarrassing

Would you care to expatiate? I'm not picking and choosing but I want to know why you think I am.

 

[Alpha Male]

There is not enough information here to conclude whose more likely to return your wallet.

I know the assumption you're making is the god-fearing person would return it. But isn't he just as likely to take it as "a blessing from god", and keep the money? Or maybe he's feeling particularly altruistic, and donates it to a church to fund their mission trip in Peru. I mean, I could come up with a dozen different scenarios the former might be more likely to do something else with the money than return it to the original owner. My point is one's belief and/or fear of a god doesn't tell you anything about how moral someone is, or how they'd behave in any given situation. In some cases it might be more likely for the secular person to do the "good" thing. Your automatic distrust of them is not justified.

No, and if you even have to ask that then I already know you are not a god-fearing individual.

 

[Anwulika]

okay so let's say you dropped your wallet on the street somewhere and there was 500 dollars in it.

lets assume there are no witnesses and no cameras in sight. if someone finds it and they don't report it, that person has the opportunity to walk away with an instant 500 dollars.

as the wallet owner who are you hoping is the one that finds it?


a) a god fearing individual that feels morally obligated to return the wallet.

b) a non-believer that doesn't fear cosmic judgement and is only afraid of punishment by other humans.

It's true that a god fearing individual will always hand the money back but some non-believers also have a notion of 'good vs evil' and based on their principles, most of which are based on Christianity for Western non-believers, will likely do the right thing.

 

[NoMayo15]

if you don't believe you answer to anyone or anything, if you are completely unafraid of 'cosmic balance' and/or 'cosmic justice'... then yes it is safe to say you might lack some humility.

Oh please. Christianity is the ultimate ego-stroke ... it only poses as humility. There's some all powerful being that created the universe FOR humanity, and personally loves you is just about the least humble set of beliefs I could think of.

And again, as cacmamba pointed out, we do answer to others. Cosmic justice seems to be just wishful thinking to me, but that doesn't mean I would go out and rob and rape and kill people. Do you think people who don't believe as you do are more inclined to do those things?

No, and if you even have to ask that then I already know you are not a god-fearing individual.

How do you know it's not just as likely? Where in Christian dogma is it a moral imperative to return lost items? No, I don't believe gods exist.

 

[Anwulika]

Oh please. Christianity is the ultimate ego-stroke ... it only poses as humility. There's some all powerful being that created the universe FOR humanity, and personally loves you is just about the least humble set of beliefs I could think of.

The Bible teaches a lot about humility. The very thing in this thread that we're talking about- The Ten Commandments- tell us to 'love our neighbours as ourselves'. Yes, God loves us personally but he also loves humanity as a whole.

How do you know it's not just as likely? Where in Christian dogma is it a moral imperative to return lost items? No, I don't believe gods exist.

If someone doesn't even attempt to return lost money then they'd be stealing, which is against scripture.

 

[Fillerguy]

Sounds like terrorism

 

[NoMayo15]

The Bible teaches a lot about humility. The very thing in this thread that we're talking about- The Ten Commandments- tell us to 'love our neighbours as ourselves'. Yes, God loves us personally but he also loves humanity as a whole.




If someone doesn't even attempt to return lost money then they'd be stealing, which is against scripture.

The ten commandments doesn't explicitly say this, so you're talking about something else.

 

[Alpha Male]

How do you know it's not just as likely? Where in Christian dogma is it a moral imperative to return lost items? No, I don't believe gods exist.

a morally decent person wouldn't be struggling with this.

if you find a lost item and the owner's info is attached, you are obligated to return it.

if this is something you feel is worth debating then you are proving my point.

 

[the cac mamba]

The Bible teaches a lot about humility. The very thing in this thread that we're talking about- The Ten Commandments- tell us to 'love our neighbours as ourselves'. .

what about that first one you skipped over

doesnt sound like your god takes too kindly to hindus

 

[the cac mamba]

a morally decent person wouldn't be struggling with this.

if you find a lost item and the owner's info is attached, you are obligated to return it.

if this is something you feel is worth debating then you are proving my point.

what if the owner was adolf hitler