The 2012-2013 NBA Random Thoughts Thread

[threattonature]

Oncourt is dope, and Shaq's point about Dwight is true.


He's saying Dwight isn't a true center, true centers catch the ball on the low block, back you down, hit you with a move and score.

Saying Dwight relies on pick and roll, which Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem and himself never had to do. Big Diesel just summed up my feelings on the modern center

He seems upset that "dominant" is 20/15, said with the centers today he should be much higher than that.

I think the last two years Dwight has developed his back to the basket game in such away and is capable of backing down and scoring. Hell there's a big back and forth going on in the Open Court thread. Love that show though. Wish during the season they had episodes weekly with a different grouping of old players on it. They can touch on the exact same topics of older shows just a different group of perspectives and stories to go with it.

 

[Malta]

I think the last two years Dwight has developed his back to the basket game in such away and is capable of backing down and scoring. Hell there's a big back and forth going on in the Open Court thread. Love that show though. Wish during the season they had episodes weekly with a different grouping of old players on it. They can touch on the exact same topics of older shows just a different group of perspectives and stories to go with it.

I never see Dwight backing people down, everything he does is turn and face -

Turn + Jab step/ball fake + then dribble and spin towards key
Turn + Jab Step/ball fake + then dribble and spin towards baseline
Turn + Jab step/ball fake + dribble and take running hook across the lane

He's improved on offense, but it's all about facing the rim and doing spin moves to bump people off spots. It's why he has trouble scoring against larger defenders, you put him against centers around his own size or slower than him and it's a wrap for them. When he doesn't have the size edge, and the speed difference isn't that big, he struggles to get buckets without a PnR.

If he had Luis Scola or Al Jefferson's back to the basket game, he'd be unstoppable, but he has almost no feel with his back to the basket.

 

[The War Report]

I never see Dwight backing people down, everything he does is turn and face -

Turn + Jab step/ball fake + then dribble and spin towards key
Turn + Jab Step/ball fake + then dribble and spin towards baseline
Turn + Jab step/ball fake + dribble and take running hook across the lane

He's improved on offense, but it's all about facing the rim and doing spin moves to bump people off spots. It's why he has trouble scoring against larger defenders, you put him against centers around his own size or slower than him and it's a wrap for them. When he doesn't have the size edge, and the speed difference isn't that big, he struggles to get buckets without a PnR.

If he had Luis Scola or Al Jefferson's back to the basket game, he'd be unstoppable, but he has almost no feel with his back to the basket.

Imagine if Dwight had Duncan's skill set?

 

[Malta]

Imagine if Dwight had Duncan's skill set?

His brain can't even begin to comprehend the magnitude of the up and unders, step throughs, reverse pivots, fakes, counters and pure beauty and poetic nature that is Duncan's skill set with his back to the rim. It would be like giving a man with no soul Mozart or Beethovens ability to compose music. The oneness with the low block that Duncan, Hakeem and McHale (prophets of post) display is just


God didn't rest on the 7th day, he created Timothy Theodore Duncan, peace be upon him

 

[threattonature]

I never see Dwight backing people down, everything he does is turn and face -

Turn + Jab step/ball fake + then dribble and spin towards key
Turn + Jab Step/ball fake + then dribble and spin towards baseline
Turn + Jab step/ball fake + dribble and take running hook across the lane

He's improved on offense, but it's all about facing the rim and doing spin moves to bump people off spots. It's why he has trouble scoring against larger defenders, you put him against centers around his own size or slower than him and it's a wrap for them. When he doesn't have the size edge, and the speed difference isn't that big, he struggles to get buckets without a PnR.

If he had Luis Scola or Al Jefferson's back to the basket game, he'd be unstoppable, but he has almost no feel with his back to the basket.

Majority of the moves in the post rely on him doing the turn and face up but here's a video showing him doing some work with his back to the basket as well. His back to the basket game is just serviceable at this point but he can use it. What else kills Dwight in the post is how quick the refs are to whistle him for offensive fouls. Much safer for him to face up and attack that way to lessen that risk. Hell I think that plays a big part in why you see nowhere near as much post play is that the refs are much quicker to award flopping down low.

 

[The War Report]

His brain can't even begin to comprehend the magnitude of the up and unders, step throughs, reverse pivots, fakes, counters and pure beauty and poetic nature that is Duncan's skill set with his back to the rim. It would be like giving a man with no soul Mozart or Beethovens ability to compose music. The oneness with the low block that Duncan, Hakeem and McHale (prophets of post) display is just


God didn't rest on the 7th day, he created Timothy Theodore Duncan, peace be upon him

Theoretically he'd able to comprehend all the nuances of the post, couple that with his athleticism. That's has to be the next step, the marriage of athleticism and skill in the post.

 

[threattonature]

Theoretically he'd able to comprehend all the nuances of the post, couple that with his athleticism. That's has to be the next step, the marriage of athleticism and skill in the post.

That's essentially what was Hakeem and Duncan. Even though Duncan didn't show it as much he was athletical as hell early on.

 

[Malta]

Majority of the moves in the post rely on him doing the turn and face up but here's a video showing him doing some work with his back to the basket as well. His back to the basket game is just serviceable at this point but he can use it.

Dwight Howard post moves - YouTube

The first 4 out of 6 plays are him facing the rim

He's literally doing everything I said too, running hook, turn and face. There's a couple of moves mixed in against Josh Powell, Glen Davis and other assorted garbage. That's all from his playoff run in 2010, and the Bobcats stuff clips meh, he averaged 9.75ppg against them in that series cause Tyson, Theo and Nazr were on his ass.

Also, not even a 4 minute long video and he's been in the NBA how long? I know he's on your team now, but he doesn't have a decent back to the basket game, not even close.

 

[Malta]

Theoretically he'd able to comprehend all the nuances of the post, couple that with his athleticism. That's has to be the next step, the marriage of athleticism and skill in the post.

You are my breh, but I'm tempted to neg you for even implying he could understand the thermodynamics at play with Tim's post game

 

[Malta]

That's essentially what was Hakeem and Duncan. Even though Duncan didn't show it as much he was athletical as hell early on.

The difference is that they learned how to play and use moves at the college level, Hakeem's post game was unrefined when he came into the league but it was built off the jump hook. Everything he did centered around the jump hook, and he built off of that after. Hakeems back to the basket game as a rookie was more polished than Dwights is now, that is just how far behind Dwight really is.

 

[Malcolmxxx_23]

bosh has better post moves than c00n

 

[The War Report]

You are my breh, but I'm tempted to neg you for even implying he could understand the thermodynamics at play with Tim's post game

Dog, I'm talking about if Dwight had the capacity to. The word theoretically just went over your head as soon you seen the name "Dwight"

 

[Malta]

Dog, I'm talking about if Dwight had the capacity to. The word theoretically just went over head as soon you seen the name "Dwight"

I don't deal with theoretical sciences

And yes, the name Dwight and "Duncan's skillset" has me seeing red. The only proper use of those two terms in a sentence is "Dwight will never have Duncan's skillset". I am completely irrational and biased about such a subject, it's still real to me damn it

 

[Flight]

Dion Waiters looks pathetic.

He owes Chad Ford some of his paycheck..The whole he's gonna be like D-Wade thing had me like

 

[OG Talk]

Imagine if Dwight had Duncan's skill set?

My head is almost about to explode just trying to picture how that would look....