The 21 Savage hate makes no sense

[Playaz Eyez]

Savage Mode was dope. He’s a very below average rapper that happened to make one of the best rap albums of 2016. Theres’s plenty of dope rappers past and present that have dropped duds (Em, Cube, Jay, Common, etc), so it shouldn’t be far fetched to see a pretty shytty rapper drop something nice. Loved the dark mood of it, especially with Metro straying from the norm on his production.

 

[SirBiatch]

Savage Mode was dope. He’s a very below average rapper that happened to make one of the best rap albums of 2016. Theres’s plenty of dope rappers past and present that have dropped duds (Em, Cube, Jay, Common, etc), so it shouldn’t be far fetched to see a pretty shytty rapper drop something nice. Loved the dark mood of it, especially with Metro straying from the norm on his production.

at 21 being below average for his era. I bet there are people in this era you think are average or above average that 21 is flat out superior to.

The terms for average, below average and above average are never clear in The Booth. Anyone you have an irrational dislike for (usually someone unique and original), they're below average. Anyone who panders to mediocre tastes, has an appealing image and cosigns, is above average.

 

[Playaz Eyez]

at 21 being below average for his era. I bet there are people in this era you think are average or above average that 21 is flat out superior to.

The terms for average, below average and above average are never clear in The Booth. Anyone you have an irrational dislike for (usually someone unique and original), they're below average. Anyone who panders to mediocre tastes, has an appealing image and cosigns, is above average.

I understand if we’re talking solely about mainstream rap in general, but be real, he would fit right in with that recent XXL freshman list. He sucks but has made some appealing music to where he’s actually listenable. What exactly is unique and original about him? Put him in NY and make him 35 ,then he becomes Red Cafe.

 

[knickscrusaderm]

21>>>> everyone of those bar you to death ass rappers losers love.

Go outside.

 

[SirBiatch]

I understand if we’re talking solely about mainstream rap in general, but be real, he would fit right in with that recent XXL freshman list. He sucks but has made some appealing music to where he’s actually listenable.

Here's my rule: if you make music that sounds great, you obviously don't suck. Because the name of the game is to make good music. You only suck when you can't make good music. e.g. Dave East. Dave East sucks. He's several levels below 21 Savage.

What exactly is unique and original about him?

Dude's vocal delivery is completely different from everyone else. In fact, that's why Coli posters hated. They have a habit of hating on anything that sounds different that isn't immediately cookie-cutter. Something that requires a deeper listen to understand.

That bassy, semi-bored, sarcastic world-weary, I'm in a haze and just woke up vocal tone was completely different. It's like film noir shyt. Metro was obviously inspired and reached into his bag to make his best production ever on Savage Mode, which itself is some eerie film noir shyt.

Put him in NY and make him 35 ,then he becomes Red Cafe.

cmon breh. Where'd you pull this out of? They sound nothing alike, from vocals to production. While you're at it, why not mention Biz Markie?

 

[Loose]

He's not a lyrical rapper why yall comparing him to lyrical rappers. Y'all other old nikkas is embarrassing

 

[DrexlersFade]

nikka trash

 

[Playaz Eyez]

Here's my rule: if you make music that sounds great, you obviously don't suck. Because the name of the game is to make good music. You only suck when you can't make good music. e.g. Dave East. Dave East sucks. He's several levels below 21 Savage.



Dude's vocal delivery is completely different from everyone else. In fact, that's why Coli posters hated. They have a habit of hating on anything that sounds different that isn't immediately cookie-cutter. Something that requires a deeper listen to understand.

That bassy, semi-bored, sarcastic world-weary, I'm in a haze and just woke up vocal tone was completely different. It's like film noir shyt. Metro was obviously inspired and reached into his bag to make his best production ever on Savage Mode, which itself is some eerie film noir shyt.



cmon breh. Where'd you pull this out of? They sound nothing alike, from vocals to production. While you're at it, why not mention Biz Markie?

Bad artists are capable of making good music, and it’s been that way for a long time. The same as a sorry team managing to beat a good one, it happens. I mean, that was a cute little spin you put on it, but it is what it is. 21 is a pretty shytty artist even by “today’s standards”, but he managed to make something dope. Don’t know what’s so hard to understand about that. Shawty Lo had some nice stuff too, make a thread for him.

I don’t think Dave East or artists like him suck, he’s just average, maybe slightly above, but I haven’t heard a project from him top to bottom that I’ve been interested in playing for a long time.

And if you could actually use some comprehension and logic, you’d know I wasn’t saying 21 and Red Cafe sounded alike, but as purely rappers, there’s nothing special about either of them, which was my whole point. If you think 21 Savage has a unique delivery/flow - one that sounds like he’s totally devoid of emotion and sleep walking on tracks - then we’re both wasting our time even responding to each other

 

[SirBiatch]

Bad artists are capable of making good music

Sure. Everyone can get lucky for one or two songs. But if a dude you consider 'bad' repeatedly makes good music (they have more than two or three good songs), they were never 'bad' to begin with.

The same as a sorry team managing to beat a good one, it happens. I mean, that was a cute little spin you put on it, but it is what it is.

Keep your examples hip hop, breh.

21 is a pretty shytty artist even by “today’s standards”, but he managed to make something dope. Don’t know what’s so hard to understand about that. Shawty Lo had some nice stuff too, make a thread for him.

21 is vastly superior to most rap artists today by today's standards. Why even pretend otherwise? Like people aren't begging him to be on remixes or jacking beats (beats he made) to accelerate their careers?

Shawty Lo? There you go again tossing out random names of rappers that aren't even in this era nor sound a thing like 21. I guess your thought process is: by you tossing out these names without any real explanation, it bolsters your argument of 21 being shytty The fukk?

Red Cafe, Shawty Lo...Is the mid 2000s your only reference point for rap?

I don’t think Dave East or artists like him suck, he’s just average, maybe slightly above, but I haven’t heard a project from him top to bottom that I’ve been interested in playing for a long time.

at Dave East being above average. See this is what I'm talking about. A bland, generic, vocally inert, no creativity having cosign-dependent gimmick is somehow above average to a rapper that actually moves culture.

You think Dave East is above average and you never listen to his music. Yet somehow, I'm supposed to believe what you're saying. I'm telling you that 21 Savage has made some great stuff, and I've been listening to his music almost every day since Savage Mode came out. Others can tell you they've been bumping cuts off Savage Mode for a while now, and yet you can't see how 21 could possibly be a 'not shytty?'

And if you could actually use some comprehension and logic, you’d know I wasn’t saying 21 and Red Cafe sounded alike, but as purely rappers, there’s nothing special about either of them, which was my whole point.

If you could actually use some comprehension and logic, you wouldn't be using sports analogies nor mentioning rappers that have nothing to do with 21. Don't get frustrated because your shyt sounds incoherent.

If you think 21 Savage has a unique delivery/flow - one that sounds like he’s totally devoid of emotion and sleep walking on tracks - then we’re both wasting our time even responding to each other

Only an idiot would think 21 Savage is devoid of emotion. I already explained 21's vocals but you probably didn't understand. And the hilarious thing is that you think Dave East, a dude who is actually devoid of any emotion, is superior to 21 Savage.

Just say that you like bland rap and that anything outside the norm threatens your sensibilities, breh.

 

[Womb Raider]

OP is an ASAP Rocky stan.....and a 21 Savage stan?!




one of the dumbest posters on this site I swear

 

[southpawstyle]

Sounds like op heard 21 savage for the first time today and now thinks he's some kind of authority......

 

[SirBiatch]

Sounds like op heard 21 savage for the first time today and now thinks he's some kind of authority......

yeah that makes a ton of sense, considering this thread was made almost a year ago You weirdos will say anything for attention

 

[southpawstyle]

yeah that makes a ton of sense, considering this thread was made almost a year ago You weirdos will say anything for attention

oops

 

[Gwoppo]

If Wayne would have dropped his version of Bank Account first, or the “I’m not racist” rapper would’ve dropped his version of Bank Account first...Bank Account would not be a hit.
(Even tho Wayne is in my top 10, I will say he hasn’t dropped a hit in a while)

21 not lyrical, but he make good music. If you listen to most of his instrumentals, you would know this. nikkaz say mumble (microwave) rappers, is nikkaz like 21 Kodak & Migos, but it usually the “new nikkaz wit da barz“ that have songs that you don’t remember.

Like nikkaz know a 21 or Future song (unintentionally) even tho they hate them. I don’t be knowin any songs of dese “new nikkaz wit da bars.”

 

[SirBiatch]

If Wayne would have dropped his version of Bank Account first, or the “I’m not racist” rapper would’ve dropped his version of Bank Account first...Bank Account would not be a hit.
(Even tho Wayne is in my top 10, I will say he hasn’t dropped a hit in a while)

21 not lyrical, but he make good music. If you listen to most of his instrumentals, you would know this. nikkaz say mumble (microwave) rappers, is nikkaz like 21 Kodak & Migos, but it usually the “new nikkaz wit da barz“ that have songs that you don’t remember.

Like nikkaz know a 21 or Future song (unintentionally) even tho they hate them. I don’t be knowin any songs of dese “new nikkaz wit da bars.”

The name of the game in hip hop has always been who makes great music. If you're saying some incredible shyt on top of that e.g. Rakim, Nas, Jay-Z, etc, then you're goat tier. But all those dudes made good music FIRST. They weren't wack as fukk in the production/vocal/charisma dept then make up some dumb shyt about "if we talking bars, we the hottest."

The "new dudes with bars" are the absolute worst. Talentless and absolutely wack as fukk. And their bars are trash as fukk on top of that