I get that but using De La as an example is kinda confusing as they obviously weren't the norm.
Fred.
The absence of Funk's influence is a big reason for the disconnect between old and new Hip Hop.
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I get that but using De La as an example is kinda confusing as they obviously weren't the norm.
Fred.
IllmaticDelta
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The fact this shyt is stickied is hilarious
Keep pining for the days that are never coming back
Rappers can't hide "soul" behind samples so now the best are back to using their voice as instruments.
The 70's pioneers would be in the extreme minority with that opinion, as it obviously died out 40+ years ago. For better or worse hip-hop as we currently know it was born in the 80's and 90's.
That isn't the point though. The point is a discussion can take place as enough time has passed to judge both eras objectively. The same cannot be said for this current era.
Fred.
Thank you.
Hip Hop has always had a generation gap. Look at how dude is defending 90's hip hop as superior after being told 70's heads looked at 90's hip hop as 'different."
There's no real structure or organization to Hip-Hop anymore.
The upside is that you can carve a completely new lane if you're clever enough to tap into a new audience and keep them fed.
The downside is that nothing has any real lasting power with the audience, and no respect for tradition has a lot of new shyt sounding like throwaways and rappers throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. No integrity and no one even cares.
Obviously the ATL tropes are being romanticized over the NYC ones (ciphers, project buildings, boom-bap), but where we had older artists interpolating and remixing funk/jazz/soul sounds, we now have artists interpolating and remixing the IMAGERY of punk/metal/industrial with the music being mostly based on ATL/NO/Memphis traditions
A lot of older artists shoehorned themselves into the established tropes because there were limited lanes to run with. It was a lot more Conformist back then, and a lot more Hipster-y now
The upside is that you can carve a completely new lane if you're clever enough to tap into a new audience and keep them fed.
The downside is that nothing has any real lasting power with the audience, and no respect for tradition has a lot of new shyt sounding like throwaways and rappers throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. No integrity and no one even cares.
Obviously the ATL tropes are being romanticized over the NYC ones (ciphers, project buildings, boom-bap), but where we had older artists interpolating and remixing funk/jazz/soul sounds, we now have artists interpolating and remixing the IMAGERY of punk/metal/industrial with the music being mostly based on ATL/NO/Memphis traditions
A lot of older artists shoehorned themselves into the established tropes because there were limited lanes to run with. It was a lot more Conformist back then, and a lot more Hipster-y now
IllmaticDelta
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Breh, respectfully I'm not one of these cats you can Google and Wiki to death. I been into rap since the early 80's. I know everything you're posting already, and I pointed out I was specifically talking about your De La example.
Side note, the Aerosmith/RUN DMC collabo was seen as a terrible idea at the time....because again, it wasn't the norm.
Fred.
There's a valid point hereThe fact this shyt is stickied is hilarious
Keep pining for the days that are never coming back
Rappers can't hide "soul" behind samples so now the best are back to using their voice as instruments
Only point he made is that he still doesn't understand what's being discussed in this thread.
JuvenileHell
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THe godfather of hip hop. Funky Drummer is like the big bang
DoubleClutch
Superstar
That's nothing new...
Right. But but back then white music still existed and was popular so it wasn’t only possible to crossover but smart.
No seems like new artists are moving on from what’s been considered “Black music” or culture for so long and trying to reinvent a sound or hip hop culture that’s neither r&b, funk, hip hop or rock.
Also whites are trying to get in this watered down version of hip hop/rap cause it’s not really exclusively “black” Music anymore..... or is it?
When Janelle monae was doing funk folks called her corny .
There is even an idiot on this forum that said she stealing from our greats .
How do you steal music created by us
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People are so fukking stupid .
Folks still don't realize we created all these genres cacs steal .
Jazz , rock and country was once ours .
They coming for hip hop
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Look at the charts now it's absolutely disgusting .
Hip hop is water down and trash .
There is even an idiot on this forum that said she stealing from our greats .
How do you steal music created by us
.People are so fukking stupid .
Folks still don't realize we created all these genres cacs steal .
Jazz , rock and country was once ours .
They coming for hip hop
.Look at the charts now it's absolutely disgusting .
Hip hop is water down and trash .
Taadow
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I don't know if this is completely true...
it's folks from then who would take from ANYTHING...i'm not sure it mattered what color the source was.
If YOU YOURSELF are a funky muthafucca - you can take anything and make it funky.
I mean, this is the most non-black chit ever at first glance and listen...
...but we got a thread right now that says the samples in it led to what may be the greatest hip-hop song ever.
And that's just one example.
KRS was singing Billy Joel on "The Bridge Is Over".
Beatnuts was sampling children's TV shows.
Three 6 Mafia was deep in the chit sampling obscure horror movie scores.
Like I said earlier, I don't believe it's so much that they aren't sampling any funk/black music...
it's that these niccas ain't funky or black! lol
In a way, I guess that is a different chamber of what you're saying.