The absence of Funk's influence is a big reason for the disconnect between old and new Hip Hop.

[Tom Foolery]

Naw. Things change and peoples ears begin to tune differently.

Migos fans don't bump 2Pac music, just like 2Pac fans don't bump Kurtis Blow. Very few develop the ear for music to understand different eras.

The big disconnect is that the music is empty.

 

[TNOT]

nikkas sampled Disco
Then
nikkas sampled Soul
Then
nikkas sampled Funk
Then
nikkas Sampled Southern Soul

There wasn't anything left to sample.

There are exceptions .

Mannie
Organized Noise
N.O. Joe

Them cats where playing instruments.

It won't surprise me to see it come back around.

 

[010101]

yes it's coming from aa youth in the hood

nah it's not hip-hop might not even be rap

fukk a genre

it's music just listen to it or don't

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[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

Devotees of b-boys and b-girls culture of the 70s and early 80s were not 'Hip Hop' fans,
we were music fans first and foremost.

This was a thriving park and rec center party culture before anybody gave it a name.

The selection of the "perfect beat" for the party and sampling later on, was an outgrowth of
our passion discovering the best music that made you rock at the party, or on the boom box
walking around the neighborhood.

And it didn't matter where that song came from, or who made it.

My sense is that the current generation is limited in their own music tastes to just the rappers they
here in the market at the present time.

For the most part, they don't listen to the vast array of different types of music (funk, soul, r&b, jazz, rock,
gospel, reggae, pop, Go-Go, Soca, Calypso, West African, German electro, disco, house) the way we did.

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

Because Funk Master Flex who saw the 70's once spoke about how 70's cats was looking at 90's cats as not doing hip hop like how it originally started. But aint no one gonna tell a 90's cat what they were experiencing wasn't real hip hop. Same rule applies to this generation.

Flex was right.

It is hard to compare a NYC deejay-oriented culture in the 70s (in which "emcees" were a secondary factor),
to the commercial, rapper-focused music industry that developed in the 90s.

It's apples and oranges.

 

[tuckgod]

Naw. Things change and peoples ears begin to tune differently.

Migos fans don't bump 2Pac music, just like 2Pac fans don't bump Kurtis Blow. Very few develop the ear for music to understand different eras.

The big disconnect is that the music is empty.

All false.

I was just listening to Migos and Thug Life couple days ago

And I loved Pac and Kurtis Blow.

Try again.

 

[tuckgod]

@IllmaticDelta coming through with facts

@hex coming through with semantics and deflections

You got nothing else to say so you default to your usual mode as cheerleader of men.

Cool.

 

[Tom Foolery]

All false.

I was just listening to Migos and Thug Life couple days ago

And I loved Pac and Kurtis Blow.

Try again.

That's just you. You are speaking in fallacy.

Most people are not checking for K Blow, the stats show this. Just like how you have these younger cats not feeling Pac.

I loved 80's hiphop, but I'd be lying to you if I said we were trying to relive the RUN-DMC in the 90's.

Sound changes, Old music becomes old.

 

[tuckgod]

That's just you. You are speaking in fallacy.

Most people are not checking for K Blow, the stats show this. Just like how you have these younger cats not feeling Pac.

I loved 80's hiphop, but I'd be lying to you if I said we were trying to relive the RUN-DMC in the 90's.

Sound changes, Old music becomes old.

No you were speaking in generalities and was proven wrong.

What stats do you look at to measure who listens to Kurtis Blow?

And sounds do change, but there’s always been a thread that connected black music from the old spirituals all the way through most of hip hops history that wasn’t disconnected until now.

If you don’t recognize that fact you’re probably a cac or a cac minded nikka.

 

[Tom Foolery]

No you were speaking in generalities and was proven wrong.

What stats do you look at to measure who listens to Kurtis Blow?

And sounds do change, but there’s always been a thread that connected black music from the old spirituals all the way through most of hip hops history that wasn’t disconnected until now.

If you don’t recognize that fact you’re probably a cac or a cac minded nikka.

I speak in generalities because it matches the general public.

Record sales, streams, radio spins, youtube view, whatever stat you wanna use it supports what I say.

I could argue the drum patterns today are connected to jazz in regards to timing. even the swing in vocal performances could be link to older influences.

But of course it doesn't go with your agenda so you will call me a cac to deflect. Oops you already did.

 

[Blackout]

I don't know if this is completely true...

it's folks from then who would take from ANYTHING...i'm not sure it mattered what color the source was.
If YOU YOURSELF are a funky muthafucca - you can take anything and make it funky.




I mean, this is the most non-black chit ever at first glance and listen...
...but we got a thread right now that says the samples in it led to what may be the greatest hip-hop song ever.





And that's just one example.
KRS was singing Billy Joel on "The Bridge Is Over".
Beatnuts was sampling children's TV shows.
Three 6 Mafia was deep in the chit sampling obscure horror movie scores.


Like I said earlier, I don't believe it's so much that they aren't sampling any funk/black music...
it's that these niccas ain't funky or black! lol
In a way, I guess that is a different chamber of what you're saying.

Can we say that sampling anything was the main move?

That’s the point I’m aiming at. We can name exceptions but if you look at the mass it was mainly black or close to black like hall and Oates influences being used back then.

The what made Run DMC stand out when they went the rap rock route.

 

[tuckgod]

I speak in generalities because it matches the general public.

Record sales, streams, radio spins, youtube view, whatever stat you wanna use it supports what I say.

I could argue the drum patterns today are connected to jazz in regards to timing. even the swing in vocal performances could be link to older influences.

But of course it doesn't go with your agenda so you will call me a cac to deflect. Oops you already did.

The drum pattern timing and vocal performance statements are very, very good points.

I’ve compared Young Thug to a horn player a few times on here and got laughed at.

Gotta rep you for that.

As far as the stats, you can’t assume that the entire music listening public is online or listening to the radio.

Old folks still listen to their LPs and tapes so it’s impossible to measure that.

 

[hex]

Flex was right.

It is hard to compare a NYC deejay-oriented culture in the 70s (in which "emcees" were a secondary factor),
to the commercial, rapper-focused music industry that developed in the 90s.

It's apples and oranges.

It developed in the 80's. Hell, it actually developed in the 70's.

Cats are taking a definition of hip-hop that lived and died in a single decade 40+ years ago....and not even the full decade, as by the late 70's MCs were obviously a staple of hip-hop....and trying to say the modern day changes in hip-hop are comparable to it. Which makes sense if you ignore the intervening 40 years between the two things. One existed briefly in the nascent stages of hip-hop....the other has defined hip-hop for 4 decades.

Not to mention modern rappers aren't adding anything as revolutionary as MCing to hip-hop, so it's a moot point.

Fred.

 

[hex]

@IllmaticDelta coming through with facts

@hex coming through with semantics and deflections

Facts are useless without context.

Dude used De La as an example when anyone with a passing knowledge of hip-hop would tell you they were the outlier.

Dude used RUN DMC as an example when they didn't even want to do the song he posted. Didn't even want to perform that song after it was recorded.

So....yeah. This conversation is like asking what 2+2 is and someone replies with "the capitol of California is Sacramento". It's like....ok, cool.

Fred.

 

[010101]

traphouse.blues or jailhouse.rock¿

it's different but it's plenty valid

i understand that generation.gaps can find folks out of tune though


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