The absence of Funk's influence is a big reason for the disconnect between old and new Hip Hop.
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dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
i don't think it's funk, i just think it's a reflection of kids who grew up with parents that grew up on rap. if you were born 70's-early 90's, you may listen to rap, but your parents music was soul/disco/funk/r&b from the 50's-80's, but kids born mid 90's and later were likely born to parents whose music was rap, i think that created a whole different foundation for these kids, add to the fact they're the generation to grow up in schools without music programs, they just don't have the same type of foundation and exposure other generations had.
Excellent point. And a musical genre needs some foundational elements (structure or organization) to differentiate it from other genres. What we call hip hop today, often doesn't have those foundational elements present from the 80s to the 2000s.
What is it?
Long Live The Kane
Tyrant Titan
The best I can tell, the bolded is the thesis of this thread... But it is not a fact... The primary direct influencer of contemporary hip hop, is older hip hop... Which was of course black music... There is no disconnect, not from the lineage of black music anyway... The real disconnect is the same one there's always been, a lack of perspective and willingness to accept change from previous generations... Which leads to a reactive callousness and lack of stated appreciation from the upcoming new generations
But that's all just generic bullshyt that'll always repeat over and over (it's not like 90s hip hop was embraced as the rightful heir to the black American musical tradition by old heads back then... There was MAJOR pushback
) ... When actually considering the music stuff like two of the biggest recent hits G Eazy/Cardi No Limit and Fergs Plain Jane both directly drawing from 90s 3-6 is unmistakable and undeniable...not to mention the funk riffs on Migos stir fry or more subtle and random shyt like Young thug channeling Louis Armstrong in songs lol
Great post.
I would completely agree that Tom Scott is the most non-black shyt ever...but my god his cover of Today was funky though
Nah. If it's something different let's call it what it is.
OP had the nerve to say the disconnect was lacking acknowledgment of the funk by the newer generation
Taadow
The StarchBishop™️
Don’t ignore the rest of the post.
You say that yet the main thing actually being done in that era was sampling black sources.
I didn't say that at all. Not once.
I didn't know that
The only knowledge RUN DMC had of Aerosmith was "Toys In The Attic" had some nice drums. That's it.
Rick Rubin mentioned the collaboration, they outright refused. Said Aerosmith was some "hill billy bullshyt". Lyor Cohen, who was their manager at the time, also thought it was a terrible idea. Rick Rubin framed the song as trying to legitimize hip-hop as "real music" to the masses so they followed through and did it. Still didn't like it, and wouldn't even perform it at concerts. It wasn't until the song blew up that they grudgingly agreed to perform it.
This speaks volumes on how other, non-black genres were perceived by rappers back then. At worst they were seen as "hill billy bullshyt"....at best they were seen as something that could be incorporated into hip-hop, but never to the point it over shadowed it. Which obviously changed with "Walk This Way".
Fred.
Blackout
just your usual nerdy brotha
You just said that the claim that sampling anything was the norm was said on the first page and you agreed with it
The truth is that black sources was the main source and not “everything”
That’s how Run DMC stand out to this day since getting non black sources wasn’t the norm until this new era.
IllmaticDelta
Veteran
The best I can tell, the bolded is the thesis of this thread... But it is not a fact... The primary direct influencer of contemporary hip hop, is older hip hop... Which was of course black music... There is no disconnect, not from the lineage of black music anyway... The real disconnect is the same one there's always been, a lack of perspective and willingness to accept change from previous generations... Which leads to a reactive callousness and lack of stated appreciation from the upcoming new generations
But that's all just generic bullshyt that'll always repeat over and over (it's not like 90s hip hop was embraced as the rightful heir to the black American musical tradition by old heads back then... There was MAJOR pushback
exactly
Taadow
The StarchBishop™️
You just said that the claim that sampling anything was the norm was said on the first page and you agreed with it
The truth is that black sources was the main source and not “everything”
That’s how Run DMC stand out to this day since getting non black sources wasn’t the norm until this new era.
Sampling "anything" was the norm, and I stand by that claim...I didn't once tally if most of those "anythings" were black,
because I think that's (1) splitting hairs and (2) that's probably a side effect of the music they had the most access to.