The absence of Funk's influence is a big reason for the disconnect between old and new Hip Hop.

[tuckgod]

The only knowledge RUN DMC had of Aerosmith was "Toys In The Attic" had some nice drums. That's it.

Rick Rubin mentioned the collaboration, they outright refused. Said Aerosmith was some "hill billy bullshyt". Lyor Cohen, who was their manager at the time, also thought it was a terrible idea. Rick Rubin framed the song as trying to legitimize hip-hop as "real music" to the masses so they followed through and did it. Still didn't like it, and wouldn't even perform it at concerts. It wasn't until the song blew up that they grudgingly agreed to perform it.

This speaks volumes on how other, non-black genres were perceived by rappers back then. At worst they were seen as "hill billy bullshyt"....at best they were seen as something that could be incorporated into hip-hop, but never to the point it over shadowed it. Which obviously changed with "Walk This Way".

Fred.

All facts.

@mobbinfms DMC broke the whole story down on the 2nd or 3rd episode of that Netflix doc Hip Hop Evolution

 

[Taadow]

What you asked me is your attempt to change the subject.

Doesn’t matter who did that or not because it’s telling by ear which why those non black sources you mention had to hide what they sampled from by converting it up when they took from nonblack sources.

Assuming what you're saying here is correct - what does that matter in this thread?

 

[tuckgod]

Flabby nikkas with another day of illusory superiority and pining for their youth? how unfortunate

Another day of you still failing to comprehend what’s being said in the thread and acting like a bytch.

 

[010101]

If, theoretically, you would prefer a world where there were no genres, just songs and expressions of musical feelings, I can rock with that. But that's not the world we live in.
Since we have genres. Let's enforce them.
And I don't want hip hop to end up sounding like Garth Brooks.

you can do as you feel & so can i

the only rule is make what you feel & listen to what you please

*

 

[Blackout]

Assuming what you're saying here is correct - what does that matter in this thread?

The disconnect

Old heads can’t connect because unlike how it was in the 90s the black sources aren’t the main today. Nonblack sources and elements are used if any outside influence is taken.

 

[tuckgod]

and this is exactly why I said the funk didn't go anywhere....you're just getting it a new way that isn't 100% indebted to pure samples. The OP is really talking about sounds that can easily be traced back to their original records rather than the essence of Funk itself.

No, you were so eager to interject yourself as the authority in this matter, using your excellent google skills, that you completely misinterpreted what I said in the OP.

Go back and read it again and you’ll see that sampling was only a very small part of what I was discussing.

shyt, read the thread title.

I didn’t say Funk’s sound or samples, I said Funk’s INSPIRATION.

 

[Taadow]

The disconnect

Old heads can’t connect because black sources aren’t the main because today nonblack sources are used if any outside influence is taken.

Okay, fair enough.

This is wrong, at least in my case. I'm 34. I don't really connect to this young generation because I don't like the music for the most part
because I can't relate to it.
It doesn't have anything to do with their influences being black or not.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Idk what people are even tryna say in here anymore. White artists were never sampled until now? Really?

All anyone has to do is look up classic breaks compilations and they will see thats totally false.

Hip hop is a genre made up of all musics... its original fans have were not HIP HOP fans they were fans of music period and no one genre got that credit.

The sampling/inspiration of james brown/funk is a product of the 80s... and every decade we tell the next decade their music “isnt as hip hop as mine”

When we giving that shyt up?

Variety is the spice of life. If ya wan hear funk influenced hip hop make it yaself.

Theres only so many ways you can flip the same breaks... You cannot expect people to stay in a box.. especially in music.. for decades.

Funk had one of the best runs inside hip hop genre itself but it isnt the be all end all.

If anything hip hop today is more like traditional 70s hiphop more than 90s so how is their a real disconnect? The only disconnect is “my gen is better than yours” and thats been the rule for 40 plus years

 

[Blackout]

This is exactly why dudes in her defending the 90's now while talking down on this current era are looking exactly like how C Deloris Tucker and Calvin Butts did in the 90's. Its a cycle......They doing the same thing that Tucker and Butts did in the 90's.

90's = We shall not allow our women to be refered to as bytches by our children

2010's = The absence of Funk's influence is a big reason for the disconnect between old and new Hip Hop

the cycle is just repeating itself.

That comparison is off because it’s all rap.

This discussion is not taking about bringing funk back or going at a new genre replacing rap.

It’s about funks influence in rap disappearing because it’s all rap.

 

[tuckgod]

Okay, fair enough.

This is wrong, at least in my case. I'm 34. I don't really connect to this young generation because I don't like the music for the most part
because I can't relate to it.
It doesn't have anything to do with their influences being black or not.

I didn’t really want this to turn into a race thing either.

IMO Black music is a name for a style/feel of music, but there’s white folks that make black music very, very well.

shyt, the Red Hot Chili Peppers are some of the funkiest nikkas on the planet.

 

[Blackout]

Okay, fair enough.

This is wrong, at least in my case. I'm 34. I don't really connect to this young generation because I don't like the music for the most part
because I can't relate to it.
It doesn't have anything to do with their influences being black or not.

That’s your case. I’m taking about a bunch of others case.

Funk influence is dying down because the youth is valuing white influences more.

 

[Taadow]

I didn’t really want this to turn into a race thing either.

IMO Black music is a name for a style/feel of music, but there’s white folks that make black music very, very well.

shyt, the Red Hot Chili Peppers are some of the funkiest nikkas on the planet.

Yeah.

Plus, "Genius Of Love" and "Schoolboy Crush" are two of the most sampled records in hip-hop history
and they were made by foreign white folks...

 

[smokeurobinson]

That comparison is off because it’s all rap.

This discussion is not taking about bringing funk back. It’s about funks influence in rap disappearing.

but funk wasnt the only R&B sampled in 90's Hip Hop. And Not all 70's R&B was funk. So to say that the disconnect between the generations is due to a lack of acknowledgment of funk by the current generation is idiotic.

 

[tuckgod]

Yeah.

Plus, "Genius Of Love" and "Schoolboy Crush" are two of the most sampled records in hip-hop history
and they were made by foreign white folks...

It don’t get much funkier than this...

 

[Blackout]

but funk wasnt the only R&B sampled in 90's Hip Hop. And Not all 70's R&B was funk. So to say that the disconnect between the generations is due to a lack of acknowledgment of funk by the current generation is idiotic.

It was still sampled and many old heads liked funk so of course if something new includes what you love it will pipe your interest and if it doesn’t you won’t connect with it.

There is nothing in mainstream new rap to pull in old heads other than Kedndrick and a few others.

That’s common sense that you flock to what has your interests within.