ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
But they not the dominant sound. It’s a niche and only a couple are truly relevant. You talking about the cliche SoundCloud rappers they are seen as weirdos.
They don’t represent modern rap as a whole
The absence of Funk's influence is a big reason for the disconnect between old and new Hip Hop.
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They don’t represent modern rap as a whole
IllmaticDelta
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you can have a funk groove with nothing but drums, bass or guitar. You don't necessarily need all 3 or even 2 together.
Blackout
just your usual nerdy brotha
Yea but without a guitar (bass or not) generating the groove it will be the equivalent of alternate rap compared to rap or be seen as slipping into another genre.
Could’ve fooled me.
Judging from what I see being promoted on here, and looking at streaming charts/recommendations that’s what it seems like from my perspective.
Either way, those SoundCloud rappers have the youth’s ears and minds.
If that isn’t the dominant sound at this very moment, it will be very soon if we don’t check it and remind folks of the rich legacy of black music.
IllmaticDelta
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Blackout
just your usual nerdy brotha
you can tell this is funk w/o any guitar or drums
That’s a “break”
IllmaticDelta
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a break (as we know it in hiphop) = funk(y) groove
Blackout
just your usual nerdy brotha
A funk song is more than a break
Without a guitar all you can do is a break or a vague reference/imitation of a funk song and not a full pure funk song.
IllmaticDelta
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funk = a groove of a specific syncopation/feel
drums
bass
guitar
.....you can do either by itself and make "funk" music
Blackout
just your usual nerdy brotha
2 videos with a guitar
As for the drum video someone releasing that song wouldn’t call it a pure funk song.
They’d call it as the title stated a funk drum groove song.
Or just groove drumming.
Groove (music) - Wikipedia
Funk was the culmination of all Black American music made up until that point (Gospel, Blues, Jazz, R&B, Soul), and was created by some of the absolute best musicians from those genres that wanted more freedom in their musical expression.
It was the music of the 70's in Black America, and was the main influence on Hip Hop's sound from the late 70s to the early 00s.
The drums that fueled most of the classic hip hop records from that time were lifted mostly from Funk records, the bass lines that drove these records were mostly Funk inspired, and the melodies/rhythms from Funk or Funk inspired records provided an infinite source of samples, ideas, and inspiration.
Artist's born in the 60's/ 70's/early 80's were raised in households and environments were funk music and funk inspired R&B, Soul, and Jazz was THE music of the black community.
We were raised on shyt like this...
My theory is kids born from the late 90s on, were more influenced by the internet than their families/communities musically, and the music being made today is a reflection of that.
A lot of us older cats were late to the internet movement, and by the time we got our footing, youngins was already on some way other shyt, so the shyt we was talking about was foreign to them.
Correct me if you feel I'm wrong..
I agree. My old man had a vicious vinyl collection so I grew up on Zapp ojays Commodores etc.
Lotta Motown.
Today these youngsters don't even know who some prominent rappers are. Had a dude tell me he was rapping and producing and had no idea lord Jamar was ever in one of the bigger groups in rap in their day. All he knew him from was vlad.
You cats are all over the place.
1. OP started the thread by saying samples exposed people to other types of black music besides hip-hop. He used funk as an example.
2. IllmaticDelta came in here talking about De La sampled white groups, and used "Walk This Way" as another example.
3. I pointed out that De La was an anomaly back then, and RUN DMC didn't even like "Walk This Way".
From there, I pointed out that while rappers back then might've sampled white groups, they wasn't running around stanning rock stars like Lil Uzi Vert does. I never said he was the norm....never said anything remotely close to that. So what are you talking about?
Lastly there has been several rappers the last 10+ years that tried to say they were rock stars and distance themselves from hip-hop. Dressing like them and the whole 9. So
at acting like this begins and ends with Lil Uzi Vert. Even Wayne was on that bullshyt for a minute.Fred.
Matter of fact @ISO why do you younger cats take literally anything negative said about a single rapper as some kind of sweeping indictment of your entire generation? The shyt is crazy to me. I said Lil Uzi Vert dikk rides rock stars....he does. Period. It can't be debated. You came in here listing a gang of other rappers from a magazine cover when I haven't said anything about any of them. In some cases, like with Dave East, I even praised them.
But I don't gotta like every single artist your generation produces. This would be like if I took offense that you didn't like DAS EFX or Fu-Shnickens.
Fred.
But I don't gotta like every single artist your generation produces. This would be like if I took offense that you didn't like DAS EFX or Fu-Shnickens.
Fred.
Matter of fact @ISO why do you younger cats take literally anything negative said about a single rapper as some kind of sweeping indictment of your entire generation? The shyt is crazy to me. I said Lil Uzi Vert dikk rides rock stars....he does. Period. It can't be debated. You came in here listing a gang of other rappers from a magazine cover when I haven't said anything about any of them. In some cases, like with Dave East, I even praised them.
But I don't gotta like every single artist your generation produces. This would be like if I took offense that you didn't like DAS EFX or Fu-Shnickens.
Fred.
Young nikkas sensitive about their generation breh.
In a way, I feel them because I've seen the type of shyt stuck in the 90s nikkas be on and nikkas can only take criticism without it being constructive but for so long.
At the same time, they gotta be willing to at least listen when us old heads try and have dialogue on what it is about their music that may not be connecting with us.
I mean....I get that. But they gotta save that for certain artists. Cats really getting tight over Lil Uzi Vert.
Fred.