The absence of Funk's influence is a big reason for the disconnect between old and new Hip Hop.

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Could’ve fooled me.

Judging from what I see being promoted on here, and looking at streaming charts/recommendations that’s what it seems like from my perspective.

Either way, those SoundCloud rappers have the youth’s ears and minds.

If that isn’t the dominant sound at this very moment, it will be very soon if we don’t check it and remind folks of the rich legacy of black music.
How bout yall name 25 BLACK rappers with a true rock aestetic. These kids idolize lil wayne who really tried to do that shyt 5-10 years ago and now a few kids are on the same wave...

Considering i could name 25 trap rappers. 25 boombap, drill etc no problem this ahouldnt even be a problem.

Since the game has been “taken over” by little uzis, name these rappers with a buzz. For every “rock” rapper i can name 2 drill ones.

Theres like 10 rappers doing this out of the 100 that are ACTUALLY poppin... tye rest are unknown soundcloud rappers noone would know unless you were 16 so how is this sound the dominant sound. Its no different than drill 5 years ago... one rapper gets hot (keef,uzi) and a thousand no names try and take advantage of the wave before it ends.

Idk bout yall areas but drake kendrick migos future are what gets the heavy rotation on the radio... still havent heard a xxx track on there. This shyt is a trend... for a select few people. Yall saying its all the colored dread dudes... fetty wap is not rock, that gucci gang shyt isnt rock...bad and boujie aint rock, black beatles aint rock.

the rebel without a cause has been a popular trope since forever...its a result of drug culture not cause black rappers are abandoning black sounds for white ones...i wouldnt say lil uzi has a rock aestetic cuz they getting drugged out saying “all my friends are dead”...

its cuz kids today are killing each other younger n younger for their “set”, drugging themselves to near death on pills where the previous ones only smoked weed;

its what KIDS do... white black brown green. It was BOUND to hit hip hop but eventually... thats all this entire “get lit” gen is about. Live fast die young...yolo..get rich die trying... do you see the connection?
 

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I mean....I get that. But they gotta save that for certain artists. Cats really getting tight over Lil Uzi Vert. :gucci:

Fred.

Some was tight from jump.

I don't even think them nikkas read the OP, some saw the title and automatically assumed I was coming at them, when that was the opposite effect I was going for.

I even fukks with the nikka Uzi a little bit.

When I posted that Prince vid in the OP, then sat down and watched it, I realized that's Uzi all the fukking way. :mjlol:

Not the musicianship of course, but go back and watch it.



All the mannerisms and dances are there.

I'm convinced son sat down and studied that vid when he decided to make his transformation. :russ:

Looking at that, it's hard for me to be mad at the youngin, knowing how big of a Prince fan I was around that time.
 
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2 videos with a guitar

As for the drum video someone releasing that song wouldn’t call it a pure funk song.

They’d call it as the title stated a funk drum groove song.

Or just groove drumming.

Groove (music) - Wikipedia


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dude, you can tell a genres origin based on the/a groove alone, regardless of instrument which is my point.
 

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dude, you can tell a genres origin based on the/a groove alone, regardless of instrument which is my point.

That's not true.

This is supposedly a Country song...



But it's actually a trap soul song disguised as a Country record.

Only thing that connects this to the Country music made before it is the twang in the nikka's voice.

This is what Country traditionally sounds like..

 
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That's not true.

This is supposedly a country song...



Who said that was country? Anyone with musical knowledge knows that ain't country. This song is clearly modern R&B with hiphop based trap drums/snap music w/ a little twang. Country fans are aware of this

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Only thing that connects this to the country music made before it is the twang in the nikka's voice.

This is what country traditionally sounds like..



correct. It's only being marketed as country because of Florida Georgia Line who themselves are basically R&B with twang voices. Modern country is just another genre riding the waves of R&B/HipHOp


It’s all R&B. Like, all of it. If it’s American and mainstream, chances are it’s better categorized as R&B than anything else. It doesn’t matter what genre of music you’re talking about. Of course R&B sounds like R&B, but so does hip-hop these days. Modern rock? Yeah, it’s pretty much just R&B. Country music? That may be the most convincing case. Jason Aldean’s biggest recent single, “Burnin’ It Down”? R&B. Luke Bryan’s “Strip It Down”? R&B. Carrie Underwood’s new single “Heartbeat”? R&B. The entire direction of the careers of Thomas Rhett, Brett Eldredge, Sam Hunt, Old Dominion, Eli Young Band, and even recent singles from artists like Gary Allan? All R&B. It doesn’t matter where you turn your radio dial, R&B is the flavor of 2015.

The new single from rock perrenial Coldplay, “Adventure of a Lifetime?” Totally an R&B song. COLDPLAY is now releasing R&B singles. Leon Bridges and the Alabama Shakes, who are sometimes designated in the rock and Americana categories? Completely a product of R&B. Big new acts in the hip-hop world like The Weeknd? They’re much more R&B than hip-hop. Nick Jonas, formerly of the Jonas Brothers? He’s out there singing in falsetto like everyone else. So is Sam Smith. And how about Queen Bee Adele with here 3.38 million debut album sales? You would certainly call her R&B before you would call her anything else.

R&B Here. R&B There. R&B Everywhere (Mono-Genre Watch)
 

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dude, you can tell a genres origin based on the/a groove alone, regardless of instrument which is my point.
Groove is the origin. Groove is a genre in itself that relies on simplicity. When complexity is applied it becomes soul, disco or funk.

Your devaluing of funks district attributes is not a good thing
 

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Groove is the origin. Groove is a genre in itself that relies on simplicity. When complexity is applied it becomes soul, disco or funk.

dude, there are distinct grooves that let you know what genre you're listening to. How do you not get this?

I don't need drums/guitar to let me know this is a soul groove



or that this a reggae groove w/o bass/guitar




or that this is jazz w/o any other instrus




Your devaluing of funk is not a good thing

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Who said that was country? Anyone with musical knowledge knows that ain't country. This song is clearly modern R&B with hiphop based trap drums/snap music w/ a little twang. Country fans are aware of this

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This Bebe Rexha Madness Has To Stop

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correct. It's only being marketed as country because of Florida Georgia Line who themselves are basically R&B with twang voices. Modern country is just another genre riding the waves of R&B/HipHOp




R&B Here. R&B There. R&B Everywhere (Mono-Genre Watch)

Exactly.

Everything you said/googled in this post is pure facts.

A lot of the anger in the links you posted is due to the fact that while it may not actually sound like a traditional Country record, which anyone with a lick of musical knowledge can easily hear, it's being marketed and promoted as one, and is the #1 song on the Country Music Songs chart.

So, if you can easily make that correlation, why is it so hard for you to understand some of the points being directed at you in this thread, in regards to a lot of today's rappers (18-25 y/os, some of you nikkas that think you're a young nikka are really in denial) deviating completely from the sound of traditional Hip Hop music?

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So, if you can easily make that correlation, why is it so hard for you to understand some of the points being directed at you in this thread, in regards to a lot of today's rappers (18-25 y/os, some of you nikkas that think you're a young nikka are really in denial) deviating completely from the sound of traditional Hip Hop music?


they deviated from traditional the classic breakbeat music not from funk inspiration and 808 based HipHop is what I said.

these while oldschool east coast








took funk's essence but deviated from classic breakbeats sound and paved the way for modern hiphop styles such as trap/crunk/oakland/miami bass/bounce sound etc..with the use of drum machines/808s



Legendary rapper Kool Keith speaks about the current state of rap and certain people thinking that 808s only belong to a certain region, but he says it's universal to hip hop. Adding to the conversation, Keith says that New York messed up and ran away from their own sound, and believes that New York rappers were searching too hard for unique samples.

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The emergence of the drum machine was crucial to the formation of entire areas of music — especially hip-hop, but also subgenres like Miami bass, acid house, and Detroit techno. Before the 808, producers would dig for drum samples and meticulously loop them to create original drum patterns. With the arrival of drum machines, samples and live drummers became unnecessary. Producers were able to tweak their own patterns out of the 808’s “robotic” and “toy-like” sounds, which made it possible for nearly anyone to produce music. Drum machines like the 808 spawned the era of “bedroom producers” such as Rick Rubin (who used an 808 in his NYU dorm) and Pete Rock. Afrika Bambaataa was the first hip-hop act to put the machine on the map with his seminal 1982 record “Planet Rock.” It also hit mainstream success with Marvin Gaye’s 1982 hit “Sexual Healing.”

The 808 broke down the walls between genres
Nearly 40 years after the 808 hit the market, hip-hop still relies on the machine, and countless copycat kits have been built and shared online to mimic the original sounds of its sharp high-hat, snare, and cowbell. It’s a sought-after sound, with most producers claiming the copycats are nowhere near the idiosyncratic tones of the original. The 808 ended up being used by iconic acts such as Run-DMC, Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, and Public Enemy. Kanye West even dedicated an entire album to the sound, with every song using an 808, the most popular being “Love Lockdown.” The 808 sound in the beginning of the track is likened to a heartbeat, perhaps the clearest comparison of what a strong 808 sound is. There’s even a full-length documentary called 808, tracking the importance of the machine.

The 808 became a fixture in hip-hop culture, not only as a tool for producers but as a defining sound of the genre. When the New York epicenter of hip-hop started to move toward other machines in the 1990s, the 808 held its roots in Southern hip-hop with artists like Lil Jon (who has even been accused of overusing the handclap sound). It’s still as crucial as ever, and has spawned the creation of production groups such as 808 Mafia (Southside & Lex Luger), who are often credited with creating Atlanta’s “trap” sound, with one of the signature elements being the 808 bass drum. Trap producers Metro Boomin and Sonny Digital also rely heavily on the 808 sound, and they’re responsible for 90 percent of today’s most popular Migos and Future records — “Mask Off” being the most recent. Most, if not all, chart-topping hip-hop records today and in the past 30 years have probably used some element of an 808.

Step outside of hip-hop, and the 808 legacy can be found elsewhere, particularly in pop music. Starting as early as Cybotron’s “Clear,” and heard as recently as Jamie XX’s “Gosh,” the 808 brought a new level of power into pop’s sound. It also became heavily used in present-day EDM, with artists such as Diplo and David Guetta championing its elements in singles and collaborations.

The 808 broke down the walls between genres, and spawned collaborations between some of the biggest acts from different spaces. Because the 808 was so adaptable, it was like the first open-sourced sound, with artists building on each other’s interpretations and making it their own. Lil Jon and Usher’s “Yeah” was an unlikely collaboration that showcased an R&B singer on an 808 and made Usher instantly relevant again. Marvin Gaye’s “Sexual Healing” is nowhere near a hip-hop or techno record, yet it relied entirely on the 808. The 808 is like the not-so-secret sauce of hit records — sprinkle in an 808 drum, and your song instantly sounds better.

The TR-808 forced artists to think differently about not only the beat constructions but about flows and melodies. With no shortage of festivals and clubs in 2017, the 808 is the critical element designed for huge speakers and club systems. It’s safe to say that producers today create records with this in mind. Although the 808 established itself as a magical tool for studio nerds and prolific artists in a short time, its legacy is still evolving every day. The possibilities are endless, and we have Ikutaro Kakehashi to thank for that.

How the Roland TR-808 revolutionized music

so yes, they deviated from 100% trad breaks that our parents grew up on but they didn't deviate from the funk influences. Modern HipHop from the South just took 1980's new york based 808 hiphop sound to the newer/different heights


 

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dude, there are distinct grooves that let you know what genre you're listening to. How do you not get this?

I don't need drums/guitar to let me know this is a soul groove



or that this a reggae groove w/o bass/guitar




or that this is jazz w/o any other instrus






:childplease:

Yea grooves in base form that are made more complex to add a specific element to make it funk or disco but in its base form it’s just groove.

You reaching hard to try and connect most of the current beats to funk influences when in reality it just connects to groove.

You disrespecting funk too much.

Show me clips or proof of the producers for those rappers mentioning their knowledge or influence from funk or else your claims fail. Enough of this foolishness.
 

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Lol you reaching hard to try and connect current beats to funk influences.

Im not reaching because the funk influence is obvious by/from it's head nodding and bounce, nature

I can’t continue this convo. You disrespecting funk too much.

just admit, you don't know what you're talking about.:lolbron:talking about grooves w/o realizing that every genre of music has an identifiable/distinct groove even when you listen to just one of the instrumental sections/parts

Show me clips of the producers for those rappers mentioning their knowledge of funk or else your claims fail. Enough of this foolishness.

if you know the history of the modern styles, you wouldn't even be asking that question. The funk is ubiquitous to all hiphop, trap and crunk, included.
 
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Im not reaching because the funk influence is obvious by/from it's head nodding and bounce, nature



just admit, you don't know what you're talking about.:lolbron:talking about grooves w/o realizing that every genre of music has an identifiable/distinct groove even when you listen to just one of the instrumental sections/parts



if you know the history of the modern styles, you wouldn't even be asking that question. The funk is ubiquitous to all hiphop, trap and crunk, included.
No

Groove is what is shown to be influential to make one move with the best with hip hop being the core that flows with the melody and such.

I know what I’m talking about and there is a difference between Kendrick’s funk beats on To Pimp A Butterfly and most computer generated generic beats in the mainstream today that focuses on a bump more so than a groove.

You cant show producers of most song showing how they got their influence from funk because they have none. They only tap into the basic grooove music genre by their own accord using computer generated stuff and don’t make it complex enough to be funk. :francis:
 
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