The absence of Funk's influence is a big reason for the disconnect between old and new Hip Hop.

[daze23]

In terms of simplistic call and response?
Sure.

The sound was quite different though.

he's probably trying to say they were both 'party music'. thing is 70's hip-hop was 'party music' because it pretty much only existed as something that was performed live at a party

but the focus obviously changed when cats sat down to make thought out studio music

 

[IllmaticDelta]

In terms of simplistic call and response?
Sure.

The sound was quite different though.

Correct. Early HipHop of the 70s was about the call and response + party atmosphere. The first type of HipHop to sound like todays HipHop musically was from electro-hop/funk of the 808's in the early 1980's

 

[IllmaticDelta]

He ain’t do nothing but almost ruin the thread with off topic arguments for arguments sake.

 

[mobbinfms]

Absolutely not.

What would you say was a worse era?

 

[Long Live The Kane]

The ironic thing is that the hiphop of the 70's is closer to the 2000's crunk era than it is to the golden ages of the 80's or 90's.

Crunk as a whole was really a spiritual successor to funk as well when you think about it...the "to windows to the wall" chant on Get Low is straight out of some Parliament shyt in '76...it's just funny when you have these curmudgeons trying to use "funk" as a proxy to cry about contemporary music like they have for literally decades at each step of development, knowing that they would never make that acknowledgement

 

[IllmaticDelta]

What would you say was a worse era?

Probably the earliest hiphop songs before sampling (non-live band ) picked up. Not saying those beats were wack but it sounds compared to todays more varied production



even most 1980's electro hop/funk sounds in comparison

 

[daze23]

Probably the earliest hiphop songs before sampling (non-live band ) picked up. Not saying those beats were wack but it sounds compared to todays more varied production



even most 1980's electron hop/funk sounds in comparison

I know it's personal preference, but I would prefer to listen to all of the above before...

 

[tuckgod]

If you’re over 25, you are not a young nikka.


Grow the fukk up.

nikkas in here posting David Banner, talking about crunk music.

I’m talking about the music being made by nikkas like Xxxtacion, Rich the Kid, Lil Uzi, Takeshi69, Tay K, Lil Yachty, and that generation in comparison to everything that’s come before it.

And not in a bad way, it’s just different.

 

[shopthatwrecks]

Quik still do it n nikkas say it’s too west coast m other shyt

 

[DrunkerThanAMotherfucker]

What an amazing clip featuring The Godfather and his classics.

Backed by Letterman's band which had some of NYC's top recording session gunslingers.

This is what its all about.


.

Letterman canceled his last guest to let James Brown finish the show.. as far as I know, that's the only time Letterman did that.

You could tell David was absolutely captivated by JB and his showmanship. Absolutely legendary.

Without James Brown, there is no Michael Jackson. There is no Hip-Hop. There is no Funk. There is no modern Soul. This dudes responsible for more genres and pop styles than anyone else in history.

He wasn't just a great musician either. This dude could wake a graveyard with his live show. You don't see that kind of engagement with crowds anymore. JB was an entertainer in the purest form and so much more. We are so indebted to his contributions to music.

 

[DrunkerThanAMotherfucker]

James Brown had a crowd of stiff 80s cacs on talk show television on their feet begging for more. If that guy isn't the best performer of all time, I don't know who is.

 

[DrunkerThanAMotherfucker]

This thread cemented my long held belief that Off the Wall is MJs best album and arguably top 10 OAT.

Thriller was a lot less funky and more rock driven. OTW had that organic, raw sound. And those horn arrangements

Some of the best composition ever. Quincy Jones was on fire.

 

[DrunkerThanAMotherfucker]

I got it: hip hop is missing HORNS nowadays.

It's the reason I go back to MJ, James Brown, Curtis, Marvin, Sly, Parliament, Kool & the Gang, Commodores, Earth/Wind/Fire all the fukking time.

As I mature, I realize how fukking profound a well placed horn arrangement is. And I continue to search for music that's as wavy as that.

 

[DrunkerThanAMotherfucker]

Also, I think the degrading public perception of black musicianship is partly due to the fact that hip hop is primarily made on a computer nowadays, with little instances of live instrumentation.

Back in the day, everyone knew the baddest mofos in show business were black. The output of masterful craft back then was insane. There was no debate about black music talent. Jimi was the greatest guitarist, Bootsy the greatest bassist, Miles Davis was the best trumpeter, etc.

I blame the absence of music program funding and the rise of more accessible recording procceses. I mean, hip hop was born out of scratching records aka sampling. Damn, I just went full circle

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

If you’re over 25, you are not a young nikka.


Grow the fukk up.

I was noticing you have a lot of late 20s posters talking like they are still the youngins. 1, 2 comin for you....