The African Traditional And Diasporic Religions Thread (Santeria, IFA, 21 Divisions, Sanse + etc)
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JoogJoint
In my own league.
The drama and discourse I found in these spiritual streets makes the real practitioners look bad. It's almost always Ifa or some Yoruba based practice.
Unpopular opinion, but there's so much more to Black and African Spirituality outside of Yoruba based belief systems (which I find Ifa, Santeria, Lucumi, etc. overrated).
I interact people from all spiritual walks of life and wish people explored more outside of Ifa which is so heavily exploited now.
Unpopular opinion, but there's so much more to Black and African Spirituality outside of Yoruba based belief systems (which I find Ifa, Santeria, Lucumi, etc. overrated).
I interact people from all spiritual walks of life and wish people explored more outside of Ifa which is so heavily exploited now.
voltronblack
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The drama and discourse I found in these spiritual streets makes the real practitioners look bad. It's almost always Ifa or some Yoruba based practice.
Unpopular opinion, but there's so much more to Black and African Spirituality outside of Yoruba based belief systems (which I find Ifa, Santeria, Lucumi, etc. overrated).
I interact people from all spiritual walks of life and wish people explored more outside of Ifa which is so heavily exploited now.
come breh drop some links
I just got my Olokun. I'm on my way to being crowned it seems.
trap101-ETHout-Allegri-In
Superstar
In to learn about the Orixia. 
The drama and discourse I found in these spiritual streets makes the real practitioners look bad. It's almost always Ifa or some Yoruba based practice.
Unpopular opinion, but there's so much more to Black and African Spirituality outside of Yoruba based belief systems (which I find Ifa, Santeria, Lucumi, etc. overrated).
I interact people from all spiritual walks of life and wish people explored more outside of Ifa which is so heavily exploited now.
My wife and I just got initiated to ifa and prior to this i was telling her how difficult it was for me to be willingly associating myself with a lot of these folks who create this drama.
Drama is everywhere. Terrible people are everywhere. Life is about experience and a lot of very vocal people want to have, and want to create negative experiences for others. However, having been on the other side and gone over there and seen the tradition with own mind and eyes, there are a lot more people where the way of life is what it is and aren't out here creating drama. They are creating families, creating harmony.
Don't be discouraged.
I also agree with you in that there is a lot more to explore and it really depends on those of us who can speak other languages besides English. Imo that's the main reason why we know and Isese, besides the fact that it works.
Unfortunately a lot of people who also could've upheld the tradition have died and had no replacements/successors due to the effectiveness of psychological warfare. Why hasn't there been any updates to the Dogon work?
Which brings me to my last point. There are still people out here who are doing it, but as you have also experienced in these spiritual streets, those who are likely doing serious work haven't been able to carve out time to document and publish their work, studies, or experiences. Dr. Abdul Alkalimat, one of the founders of Black Studies as a discipline, said his colleagues used to malign the 'publish or perish' reality of academia. Well guess what. That's life. If you die without documenting your experiences the next generation had to start from scratch and we've been doing that over and over and over.
I will always advocate for more people to write more things. The two most historical famous libraries, Alexandria and Timbuktu where were brehs??
That being said, deep research on the tradition will show that many of our generation in the continent are getting into their traditions. Its all very exciting!
Many of these bozos in the game would be like "car people" or Milwaukee tool people. The tool becomes their identity. They would've been this way independent of Ifa, and the odu ifa has many many many verses about wack priests.
One of these days we going to have to talk about these Babalawo that get underneath these IG chicks pages with their titties and ass out leaving heart eye emojis. Knowing that is not right. And forgetting all about the ethics. Let alone some of these chicks be wearing their elekes like this like its a accessory.
#BabalawoBlastingBackshots
#TittiesORTithes
#DivinationORdikkingDemDown
#BabalawoBlastingBackshots
#TittiesORTithes
#DivinationORdikkingDemDown
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elekes more associated with the streets than spirituality
all up & down that i95
honestly been that way my whole life to think about it..........
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KingsOfKings
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JoogJoint
In my own league.
Hoodoo...more FBA/ADOS need to tap in. If you find an elder willing to teach you, there's a lot more to it.
Traditional Kongo Spirituality...which I practice.
Odinala...Igbo tradition.
If you got the coins, go to Ouidah, Benin for the Vodun Festivals or take a trip. Initiations take longer than Haitian Vodou and they also do baptisms. I learned that.
Some of y'all need to think beyond Louisiana Voodoo because the Gullah Geechee folks here practice that real authentic sh_t.
Kemetic and Sumerian Science. I'm about to get the Book Of The Dead. Be careful with that book and don't go beyond your spiritual limit as my dearly departed elder told me.
Some people in the Carolinas practice Obeah because some of the Bajan influences during the slave trade.
The spirit the world isn't for everybody, saw a demon trying hold me captive in the astral world and I escaped. He didn't like me, but he couldn't break me.
You can also look into Palo cults (which is the human practice of Traditional Kongo Spirituality and Hoodoo is too), but many are ran and controlled by White Cubans and Puerto Rican and some Black have horror stories about some these scammers and people putting ndoki demons on them. Not all are bad, but I was told to only go to a Cuban. Too many incorporate Yoruba influences. I'm not interested in that.
JoogJoint
In my own league.
Just steer clear of Quimbanda. It's mostly left handed Luciferianism in the guise of Afro Brazilian Spirituality. Those spirits do not play around. One wrong move and they mess up your whole life.In to learn about the Orixia.
Besides that Afro Brazilian Spirituality is slept on.
JoogJoint
In my own league.
I understand what you're saying and I'm not "discouraged," just never been interested in Yoruba traditions and they are heavily exploited and I agree with this Palo practitioner when he said there's a certain "high and almighty attitude" many have about over other practices that turns me off. Yoruba doesn't even align with my beliefs or ancestral heritage. Mind you this Palo practitioner grew up in both Palo (which is actually Kongo and Bantu) and Yoruba traditions.
Everybody is doing it these days and believe that's the only way to get back to their "roots."
That's cool you're in it, I'm part of a private group where everybody in there practices something including Haitian Vodou, Palo, Hoodoo, etc. A lot of the people in my group aren't in the US or the Diaspora, so they peep how exploited it is here in the West. You get called out faster by an African or Caribbean if you try it. Haha
I know a Priestess already in Lucumi and even she advises people against going in and people need to realize how expensive it is as well. I know people who spend up to $22k to do a whole initiation and everything. She doesn't even want her children continuing the tradition.
I do find it funny that people always claim only Oshun, Shango, and Yemaya as if there aren't other Orishas.
Don't even get me started on the Godparents sleeping and impregnating the Godchildren. People claiming already to be "elders" when there not. A Yoruba Nigerian actually in Ifa called out a lot of the Diaspora playing around with their traditions.
Atlanta is the worse when it comes to it.
JoogJoint
In my own league.
See, this is becoming the majority unfortunately. Yes, every spirituality can be messy, but I have never seen mess like I have in Yoruba traditions.
Didn't somebody in here say a lot of these chicks sell cat on the side?!
There's a lot of mentally ill (not even trying to be funny) who are supposed to be "elders" selling wolf tickets to people.
Even an African Babalawo said he had to get out the game because it became ridiculous.
I don't know why people won't learn more about Odinala which is Igbo. A lot of Black Americans are of Igbo descent. The lore is badass too and similar to Yoruba traditions, but it's more low-key and less messy. I'm learning more about it now.
JoogJoint
In my own league.
Pretty good video that sums up Odinala.
TikTok - Make Your Day
My dearly departed Tata (Father/male elder in Kikongo language) was full of knowledge.
Not to sound corny, but once I found Traditional Kongo Spirituality, learned more about the divine knowledge of Kemeticism, and Sumerian, Dr. Luyaluka changed my life. He's a wealth of information and he has books. May he rest in the ancestral realm with Malidoma Some.
Once you learn from him, there's no going back to weak Western Theism. I had to learn my journey was going to be lonely because people already call me evil because I'm not into Abrahamic Religions believing in a White Jesus and thinking all I gotta do is pray the devil away.
Once you go down the rabbit hole, this temporal plane is only temporary and you're in a Matrix.
It's trippy, but once you learn and understand the teachings, it will make a lot of sense.
Read your Bible (not King James nor the Old Testament, the New Testament) like a scholar and connect the dots.
TikTok - Make Your Day
My dearly departed Tata (Father/male elder in Kikongo language) was full of knowledge.
Not to sound corny, but once I found Traditional Kongo Spirituality, learned more about the divine knowledge of Kemeticism, and Sumerian, Dr. Luyaluka changed my life. He's a wealth of information and he has books. May he rest in the ancestral realm with Malidoma Some.
Once you learn from him, there's no going back to weak Western Theism. I had to learn my journey was going to be lonely because people already call me evil because I'm not into Abrahamic Religions believing in a White Jesus and thinking all I gotta do is pray the devil away.
Once you go down the rabbit hole, this temporal plane is only temporary and you're in a Matrix.
It's trippy, but once you learn and understand the teachings, it will make a lot of sense.
Read your Bible (not King James nor the Old Testament, the New Testament) like a scholar and connect the dots.