The argument that Drake "makes good music/is a really good artist" holds ZERO weight & is dead

[RTF]

It's taken a chunk out of his artistic credibility to me.

I can still enjoy his music, rate him as an overall artist but it's taken a huge blow. He was already taking flows, accents from known rappers but he's taking whole verses?

He isn't/wasn't marketed as this overall artistic visionary like a Puff, Dre or Kanye. Despite writers and producers we know all of these men changed the game with their ear and sound themselves. Puffy is responsible for that east coast rnb friendly rap, Dr. Dre g-funk smooth pioneer, Kanye chipmunk soul etc. but Drake? He was meant to be the writer. Drake featuring Drake. Drake stimulus package. But the package is looking produced.

My man is having whole guest verses written for him.

I wouldn't say the argument that he makes good music has zero weight. His music is good it will be enjoyed. But for me he could never reach Kanye status for me as an artist. Or even Kendrick level. I'm not sure what he brings to the table besides marketing. He didn't even write "you should love people and use things, not the other way around." Some chick called Kenzo wrote that.

What makes it worse is that he isn't even putting his writers on. No features. Nothing.

 

[SunZoo]

It's better than Ether and so was take over

Ether was just a bunch of elementary insults

Oh you ugly oh you gay

Drake spit nothing but facts on his shyt

 

[Free White & 21]

These clowns defending this Home Pride Buttertop Wheat colored nikka fall into 3 categories

1. Trolls
2. nikkas with no integrity and/or no respect for their culture
3. White boys (self explanatory)

Drake is hands down the fakest nikka in the game. I don't condone this ghostwriting shyt, and he won't be getting another dollar from me

 

[Harry B]

A few hooks and some bars on a mixtape where he gave credits, I have a big problem seeing anyone except the people that already hate him giving a fukk. Apologize for the bars and move on, hooks is standard.

 

[OG Talk]

The term "good music" means as much to me as "real hip hop"...

Totally arbitrary and meaningless..

The only thing that can't be argued is that Drake is a quality pop artist.. By the very definition of the word..

Whether he's good or real is a matter of personal opinion..

 

[mr.africa]

These new nikkas let Wayne makeout with birdman, game go from male stripper to gangbanger, and young thug smoke penises and call other men bae.

You thought they were gonna draw the line on Quentin Miller,the weekend, and PND making songs and letting drake karaoke them?

 

[RTF]

A few hooks and some bars on a mixtape where he gave credits, I have a big problem seeing anyone except the people that already hate him giving a fukk. Apologize for the bars and move on, hooks is standard.

Some bars?

QM is doing entire reference tracks for Drake. Writing songs for dude. The hook. The entire first verse. The flow. Everything. That's beyond bouncing ideas, beyond helping craft a song, beyond helping out on a few lines. If 10 Bands was a beat QM would be the main producer and Drake a co-producer at best.

I don't even expect this type of ish from Kanye.

 

[The God Poster]

I love how so many examples of rappers using ghostwriters/reference tracks have been presented this week from

Dre
Snoop
Eazy E
Nas
Weezy
Big Boi
Kanye
Meek
Jay

But nikkas are only thirsty to discredit drake and act like this was never in rap. Or act like he never writes even though he's wrote songs for other artists. but haters will hate

the bolded no one considers great rappers because they have writers. Yall stans been doing this all week. U throw out names with no proof. Not hearsay but proof. Wayne because he had two albums worth of sounding like gillie even took some slack. Why are Yall protecting drake so hard?

Now I'll wait for your reference tracks

 

[The God Poster]

Some bars?

QM is doing entire reference tracks for Drake. Writing songs for dude. The hook. The entire first verse. The flow. Everything. That's beyond bouncing ideas, beyond helping craft a song, beyond helping out on a few lines. If 10 Bands was a beat QM would be the main producer and Drake a co-producer at best.

I don't even expect this type of ish from Kanye.

Breh I fear the excuses if them other tracks ever leak

 

[TenChambers]

Some bars?

QM is doing entire reference tracks for Drake. Writing songs for dude. The hook. The entire first verse. The flow. Everything. That's beyond bouncing ideas, beyond helping craft a song, beyond helping out on a few lines. If 10 Bands was a beat QM would be the main producer and Drake a co-producer at best.

I don't even expect this type of ish from Kanye.

To be fair you do hear Quentin say in the beginning of the track "let me try something" so you don't know what the process was for when they were in the studio. Quentin did say he isn't a ghostwriter and that they collaborated which is how he was credited. It was only part of the 1st verse and the hook of a club song. They could have been bouncing ideas off each other in the session.

Just a thought. Personally, I'll still enjoy the music.

 

[The_King_of_Everything]

Let's get this all out on the table....
(And for the record, I started out being a strong Drake hater. Then eventually became a huge fan)

What are we doing? This is hip-hop.

.....Drakes ENTIRE appeal from jump was that he was the alternative rapper. He was the dude who didn't rap about guns/drugs/street life. He was the hopeful young rapper from Canada who had been writing lyrics for years and was rapping to a grass-roots fanbase about his life. Rapping about his quest/struggle to get signed, rapping about his life after he got signed & while he was making his debut album. And every album since then had supposedly been him telling us about HIS story, HIS journey, in HIS words. He was the dude who won over his haters b/c he "wrote" songs that were personal enough in subject matter that even the haters could relate to.

But the main idea all along is that he was telling us HIS story in HIS own words. This is a staple of hip-hop and what makes it different from every other genre.

Moreso than Dr Dre, or Diddy, others who are known to have ghostwriters, Drake was the PERSONAL rapper. We believed everything was 100% him b/c the songs were about his life.

2nd point about him being a really good artist is mute now b/c it's not him writing these songs. He's a decent singer at best, but every legit R&B singer the past 25 years would sing him up under a table. I can accept his voice IF it was him writing the songs b/c they would truly be his words/lyrics, but since it's apparently not, his voice loses credibility; and I'd rather hear the songs being sang by someone who can actually sing.

These diss tracks are falling on deaf ears for me, b/c it could be 2-3 dudes writing them as opposed to Meek Mill doing it alone (as far as we know).

How can you get credit for "winning" a battle against another man when it's likely that someone else doing your fighting? How can fans excuse this?

All jokes aside, I think the majority of Drakes fans are in fact white and like to say ******, women who don't really care about "the laws" of hiphop, your hipster bandwagoners that like drake only because they think their suppose to, and then your sensitive males who live vicariously through Drake. (I'm sure there is an unbiased percentage of folks who just like him for music as well).

So when you look at the folks that I listed it's not really hard to see why his fans excuse this. The majority of the people online imo, specifically social media will jump on whatever bandwagon that's popping. From ALS bucket challenge, to travon Martin news or any racial outrage, to Drave Vs Meek, everyone wants to be "in the loop" and or "spreading the word, blogging tweeting reposting etc".

So as it's been said countless times already rap is a popularity contest at this point. It really doesn't matter if you have integrity as an artist. All the matters is how popular you are. It's sad, but it's the truth.

 

[brother walt]

op is right best thread on here

 

[ucanthandlethetruth]

It's better than Ether and so was take over

Ether was just a bunch of elementary insults

Oh you ugly oh you gay

Drake spit nothing but facts on his shyt

This is neg train worthy post...so i negged you

 

[satam55]

the bolded no one considers great rappers because they have writers. Yall stans been doing this all week. U throw out names with no proof. Not hearsay but proof. Wayne because he had two albums worth of sounding like gillie even took some slack. Why are Yall protecting drake so hard?

Now I'll wait for your reference tracks

Which 2 albums were those?

 

[RTF]

To be fair you do hear Quentin say in the beginning of the track "let me try something" so you don't know what the process was for when they were in the studio. Quentin did say he isn't a ghostwriter and that they collaborated which is how he was credited. It was only part of the 1st verse and the hook of a club song. They could have been bouncing ideas off each other in the session.

Just a thought. Personally, I'll still enjoy the music.

QM didn't deny it was a reference track - so i'm going to assume it's a reference track. He's not a ghostwriter because he's credited. Young Jeezy is credited as a writer on Kanye's Say You Will & Robocop but i'm going to assume he didn't drop a reference track for the song.

If Drake took that reference track. Changed a couple of the lines. And added a new verse that is still collaboration but just not the type of collaboration that we would expect. QM has the artistic lead if he's writing the reference track.
When you think of collaboration in the writing process, I would expect something closer to:


'Ye has the concept. Throws out some lines for Jay to use but Jay still has artistic lead over the process. He still essentially writes the song.

I'll still enjoy the music but i'll look at it like a Beyonce album rather than a Prince or even a Miguel album.