The Case Against Mike Tomlin...

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Thing is he shouldn't have even made the playoffs most of the times he did.

Steelers are like a 5-12 or 6-11 team on paper but he gets them 4-5 more wins than expected.

He needs to go. Not for being bad but for being too good. Continually finishing over .500 doesn't allow you to rebuild and land that franchise QB. They should just sit him down and say both sides need to move in another direction. The team can rebuild and he gets a fresh start elsewhere. It's a mutually beneficial move.
 

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Thing is he shouldn't have even made the playoffs most of the times he did.

Steelers are like a 5-12 or 6-11 team on paper but he gets them 4-5 more wins than expected.

He needs to go. Not for being bad but for being too good. Continually finishing over .500 doesn't allow you to rebuild and land that franchise QB. They should just sit him down and say both sides need to move in another direction. The team can rebuild and he gets a fresh start elsewhere. It's a mutually beneficial move.
It probably would be beneficial to both parties to separate but I don't see him going anywhere before 2027. He was just signed to a 3 yr extension this off-season. We need a franchise QB. It was 21 years after Bradshaw retired that we drafted Ben so it may be awhile....
 

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That’s a rough one and I’m sure there’s a few you can put on him, but Ben playing like shyt in a few games they lost is something he can’t control and they haven’t had a qb who can deliver in the winter for a long time now. Ben didn’t have the arm to make plays in January for the last 3-4 years of his career and we’re 3 years removed from him retiring now.


I don’t watch much of them since I don’t really go to the ale house to watch the games anymore but every time I see the Steelers play it feels like they’re a team short on talent at a lot of key positions that Tomlin takes further than they have any business going with smoke and mirrors which can only take you so far. This year’s team for example it felt like they’re just hit the wall physically and ran out of gas after a hot start that was enough to get them into the playoffs which guaranteed they’d face a superior roster that would expose the flaws they had that you can only coach around for so long.

It's still :mindblown: that the Steelers have only had 3 head coaches going back to the 1960s. Don't remember the exact year.
Knoll from 1969-91, Cowher from 1992-2006, and Tomlin ever since. To put it in perspective, the Yankees have had 3 managers since 1996, which is very much impressive and the ravens have had just 2 head coaches since 1999 (Brian Billick & John Harbaugh). That’s an extra 27 and 30 years respectively. That sort of stability is unheard of in North American sports.
 

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who handles personnel in Pittsburgh? i know their draft philosophy used to be to take the best player available, regardless of need or position. maybe they need to bring in an established personnel man.
 

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It probably would be beneficial to both parties to separate but I don't see him going anywhere before 2027. He was just signed to a 3 yr extension this off-season. We need a franchise QB. It was 21 years after Bradshaw retired that we drafted Ben so it may be awhile....

You won't get that franchise QB with him as coach. You need a losing season to get in range to draft or trade up. If you're picking in the 20's that's not doable.

Let him go, trade some players, and rebuild. He gets a fresh start in Chicago.
 

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So the only way to get better is fire the coach?? How about this off season draft well and spend some money in FA. Sign Sam Darnold and Tee Higgins. Cap room isn't an issue. They have tons of cap space
They're bad built.
They need to tear down and rebuild, is Tomlin down with that? May mean the end of his winning season streak.

It'd be difficult for them to get Darnold and they have poor position making it harder to draft well.
 

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You won't get that franchise QB with him as coach. You need a losing season to get in range to draft or trade up. If you're picking in the 20's that's not doable.

Let him go, trade some players, and rebuild. He gets a fresh start in Chicago.
I like Tomlin but that's why I'm :yeshrug: if he goes. If he coaches through his extension he'll have been here 20 seasons. That's a long ass time in one spot. I don't think there has been a NFL coach who has won a title with the same franchise 17+ years after he last won one. It's hard to picture it happening in this case.
 

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They're bad built.
They need to tear down and rebuild, is Tomlin down with that? May mean the end of his winning season streak.

It'd be difficult for them to get Darnold and they have poor position making it harder to draft well.
Bro I don't know where the notion comes from that Tomlin gives any fukks about that streak. That bullshyt comes from the people who hate him. They took something that should be looked as an accomplishment and turned it into something that is looked at negatively.

The Steelers have the cap room to sign Darnold and Tee Higgins if they want
 

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It probably would be beneficial to both parties to separate but I don't see him going anywhere before 2027. He was just signed to a 3 yr extension this off-season. We need a franchise QB. It was 21 years after Bradshaw retired that we drafted Ben so it may be awhile....

The problem is, nothing will ever really change until you get a franchise QB. This weekend made that abundantly clear.

Getting rid of Tomlin does nothing really but appease the [mostly racist] masses.

Again- this was a rebuilding year and we fortunately (and unfortunately) outkicked our coverage.
 

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The problem is, nothing will ever really change until you get a franchise QB. This weekend made that abundantly clear.

Getting rid of Tomlin does nothing really but appease the [mostly racist] masses.

Again- this was a rebuilding year and we fortunately (and unfortunately) outkicked our coverage.
I'd listen to offers for Minkah and even Watt, accumulate some draft picks and see were we're at in 26'
 

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You won't get that franchise QB with him as coach. You need a losing season to get in range to draft or trade up. If you're picking in the 20's that's not doable.

Let him go, trade some players, and rebuild. He gets a fresh start in Chicago.

You can, it's just less likely

Lamar
Jalen
Jordan Love
Russell Wilson
Brock Purdy
Dak Prescott

Were all picked in that range or later
I think the Steelers don't develop QBs well either
 

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Tomlin is in a true "just the coach" role. He does not pick the players, and may not even have full staff control. He has two high level responsibilities:

- Win as many games as possible with the players he had
- Develop the players on his team.

So the two natural questions are :

- Who the hell else wins more games with the players Pitt has had?
- Who develops talent better than Tomlin? Guys leave there and fall off a cliff.

A lot of the "since 2016" narrative is because of the browns loss, which was DOA with a fumbled snap, and the Shazier injury. Also Tomlin has proven he is willing to pivot to offense-first when that unit is elite, similar to a Sean McDermott in Buffalo.

Last time I look this guy is winning with literal replacement level quarterbacks, and we have repeatedly see players leave Pitt and fall off of a cliff. Mike isn't the problem there. However, sometimes the only way to get better is to bottom out, and maybe Pitt should do that. How the hell else do they get a quarterback?

I wish Tomlin could just go to Chicago, so Caleb has a sweet coach and Tomlin has his quarterback. Instead we're gonna have to sit through 2 more years of this tired ass conversation.

week 0 - "This is the year the streak ends!"
week 17 - Tomlin wins 10 games
end of season - "Tomlin sucks!"
 

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You can, it's just less likely

Lamar
Jalen
Jordan Love
Russell Wilson
Brock Purdy
Dak Prescott

Were all picked in that range or later
I think the Steelers don't develop QBs well either

That's the point. You'd rather be picking Stroud, Caleb, or Daniels than a 3rd or lower round QB because the odds they pan out is far greater.

I thought they should've made a move up from 20 to pick 11 to get Penix but Atlanta blew that up.
 
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