The Championship only counts if you win Finals MVP?

[MalikX]

Except that had NEVER been my standard or anyone else's. I have NEVER said that you should judge someone on Finals MVP alone. EVER.




I said that Duncan isn't even top ten all time in SCORING. Can you read? Are you remedial? This whole thread is revolving around you not even knowing what other people are saying.

I already said above that that Duncan has an argument for top-five. You seriously can't follow a breh worth shyt.






NO ONE gave Lebron credit for "almost rings". They just said that you're retarded to claim that going 3 for 7 in Finals is worse than going three for three, because by that logic its better to lose in the first round than to make the championship with an inferior team.

If you're ain't bright enough to follow a discussion, stop starting them.

Misread what you said about Duncan. Gotta understand....I don't like your stupid ass so I'm scanning your posts. You're a hypocrite. You're one of the MAIN people in other threads talking about Kobe getting carried....now you're in here copping all sorts of pleas as to why your logic regarding that doesn't apply to other players that fit the bill. I don't have patience for people moving goalposts and changing their arguments every 60 seconds.


I'll ask you the same question. Can you read? The Thread is titled "The Championship only counts if you win Finals MVP?" That's the topic I wanted to discuss. So why are you bringing up Kareem's MVPs and scoring awards in a thread about whether Championships don't count if you don't win Finals MVP?

That shyt has NOTHING to do with the question.

And it just shows your hand and the sort of bullshyt you're on. So when I bring up Kareem having 6 Rings but only 2 Finals MVPs, your response in this thread is but but he has 6 Regular Season MVPs and scoring titles so it's okay (again completely irrelevant to winning a championship).

Why do you suddenly adopt a holistic comprehensive approach when it comes to Kareem's career (again not the topic I wanted to talk about Championships) but when it's Kobe's turn, your evaluations boil down to "he was carried by Shaq". I don't think I ever seen you make mention of the awards Kobe has or the things Kobe has done as a player. Instead it's just "Kobe was carried haha haha sidekick ". None of this lets evaluate his entire career bullshyt but when it's Kareem suddenly you want to do that instead of just zeroing in on why he only has 2 Finals MVPs out of 6 Finals wins like you would do with Kobe. You're full of shyt and your logic changes up based on whether you like a player or not. You're a biased piece of shyt bro

When people say Kobe was a sidekick or Kobe got carried by Shaq. They're talking about him not winning Finals MVP. They're not talking about Kobe not having enough scoring titles or enough regular season mvps. So bringing that shyt up to divert the same criticism away from Kareem by saying he has x amount of mvps and awards is bullshyt. I've seen your bytch ass throughout this forum go on and on about players not "LEADING" their teams to rings. YOU. So why are you switching up You were talking about their ability to win Finals MVPs. Not if they won a Regular Season MVP or scoring titles. Now with Kareem, you bringing up all that irrelevant shyt. The nikka has 2 Finals MVPs on 6 Championships meaning this nikka wasn't the "Man" on 4 of those squads.

Again.....using your logic about why you still consider Kareem a top player because of his many regular season MVPs and scoring titles (again....not the fukking topic I asked if championships counted if didn't win the finals mvp).....so if Kobe had won a few more regular season mvps and a few more scoring titles, would people stop saying he was "Carried by Shaq" or was a "sidekick"? No. nikkas would still say it because no logic is being used there. It's pure bias and hate.

I personally don't think Finals MVPs are that great of a measure. I really believe this. You don't. You're just saying this bullshyt now to cover your tracks with Kareem because I seen your wack ass say 100 times Kobe wasn't shyt because of Shaq winning them but whatever. Finals MVPs can lie. If you have two players on a team with a great difference in talent level, it clearly shows who was the top dog. But what happens when the players are more comparable in talent level? When it's more of a duo than a leader/sidekick dynamic? Somebody has to win it even though no one's the sidekick. A sidekick is a nikka like Joe Dumars or a player like John Starks. Kobe's not a sidekick. What happens if Durant and Westbrook won a ring together? Durant would've won Finals MVP. And y'all silly muthafukkas would say Westbrook was a sidekick. Y'all would have to, to uphold that logic when y'all bash Kobe. But how is Westbrook a sidekick. We just saw this season that Westbrook is capable of averaging a triple double all season. But yet the Thunder winning a ring would've reduced him and all his talent to "sidekick status". Also what happens if Golden State wins a ring this year. Durant will also likely be named Finals MVP. Which means Steph Curry will have won two rings with no Finals MVP. Steph Curry must be a sidekick then. One of the best nikkas to ever play. Sidekick. Unless you're just picking and choosing who to apply that bullshyt to out of thin air instead of following a set standard.

Lastly, when y'all cornballs bring up Kobe not winning the MVPs with Shaq, the implication is that LeBron would've done better. When LeBron was Kobe's age back then (20-26), he doesn't have a single Finals stat line approaching the 40 point 15 rebounds on 60% shooting that Shaq was averaging. Your Golden Boy wouldn't have won a single MVP either.

I'm done. I wrote way too much to a poster I don't even like speaking to. Now go on and reply and change your argument for the 11th time.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

To me this premise would be a dumb argument

Seeing that his teammate was Magic Johnson. Jordan, Lebron, or Kobe after Shaq left never had a teammate as talented as Magic to compete for Finals MVP


Curry on the other hand

Sometimes dudes get hosed for finals MVP. It isn't common, but the 1988 finals are a good example. James worthy averaged 22 points, 7.4 boards, and 4.4 assists while shooting 49% from the field and 73% at the line. Magic averaged 21 points, 6 boards, 13 assists, and 2 steals while shooting 55% from the field and 86% at the line and didn't get finals MVP over worthy. Curry had an even larger gap than that between him and the warriors second best performance that series.

 

[Buckeye Fever]

A chip is a chip. Players don't care about that other shyt. But on this message board and individual legacies, yes it matters...to a certain degree. Let's say a Pippen stan argues he's better than kobe because he has more rings...now what

Pippen is my favorite player of all time, sooooooooo, it's best I not answer this question

 

[Illeye buckmatic]

Pippen is my favorite player of all time, sooooooooo, it's best I not answer this question

 

[UpAndComing]

Sometimes dudes get hosed for finals MVP. It isn't common, but the 1988 finals are a good example. James worthy averaged 22 points, 7.4 boards, and 4.4 assists while shooting 49% from the field and 73% at the line. Magic averaged 21 points, 6 boards, 13 assists, and 2 steals while shooting 55% from the field and 86% at the line and didn't get finals MVP over worthy. Curry had an even larger gap than that between him and the warriors second best performance that series.

Yeah exactly. Same thing with the 2004 Pistons. Billups deserved the Finals MVP, but a strong case could be made for Ben Wallace or Rasheed

 

[Long Live The Mamba]

The post quality/ratio on this site really is all over the cotdamn place. Some brehs discussions can be beneficial and knowledge dropping if you take off the stan glasses..
:EDP445:

Unfortunately the stan goggles for most posts run rampant/100 mph got a nikka like..

:Gogglesdam:

But I aint say shyt either way.. So keep it going brehs entertaining thread..

 

[isp]

Rings are a team accomplishment but only one person gets FMVP.

It doesn't get any better than being the best player on your team during the finals.

 

[Sccit]

CAUSE NO ONE COMPARES KAREEM AND TIM TO JORDAN....KOBE AND LEBRON. IT ONLY APPLIES TO THEM

AND STEPH CAUGHT IT CAUSE PEOPLE JUMPED THE GUN AND TRIED TO LUMP HIM IN WITH JORDAN AFTER 2 YEARS

THE FUCC U TALKIN ABOUT, KAREEM IS ARGUED AS GOAT OVER MJ MORE THAN ANY1 ELSE.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Misread what you said about Duncan. Gotta understand....I don't like your stupid ass so I'm scanning your posts. You're a hypocrite. You're one of the MAIN people in other threads talking about Kobe getting carried....now you're in here copping all sorts of pleas as to why your logic regarding that doesn't apply to other players that fit the bill. I don't have patience for people moving goalposts and changing their arguments every 60 seconds.


I'll ask you the same question. Can you read? The Thread is titled "The Championship only counts if you win Finals MVP?" That's the topic I wanted to discuss. So why are you bringing up Kareem's MVPs and scoring awards in a thread about whether Championships don't count if you don't win Finals MVP?

That shyt has NOTHING to do with the question.

And it just shows your hand and the sort of bullshyt you're on. So when I bring up Kareem having 6 Rings but only 2 Finals MVPs, your response in this thread is but but he has 6 Regular Season MVPs and scoring titles so it's okay (again completely irrelevant to winning a championship).

Why do you suddenly adopt a holistic comprehensive approach when it comes to Kareem's career (again not the topic I wanted to talk about Championships) but when it's Kobe's turn, your evaluations boil down to "he was carried by Shaq". I don't think I ever seen you make mention of the awards Kobe has or the things Kobe has done as a player. Instead it's just "Kobe was carried haha haha sidekick ". None of this lets evaluate his entire career bullshyt but when it's Kareem suddenly you want to do that instead of just zeroing in on why he only has 2 Finals MVPs out of 6 Finals wins like you would do with Kobe. You're full of shyt and your logic changes up based on whether you like a player or not. You're a biased piece of shyt bro

When people say Kobe was a sidekick or Kobe got carried by Shaq. They're talking about him not winning Finals MVP. They're not talking about Kobe not having enough scoring titles or enough regular season mvps. So bringing that shyt up to divert the same criticism away from Kareem by saying he has x amount of mvps and awards is bullshyt. I've seen your bytch ass throughout this forum go on and on about players not "LEADING" their teams to rings. YOU. So why are you switching up You were talking about their ability to win Finals MVPs. Not if they won a Regular Season MVP or scoring titles. Now with Kareem, you bringing up all that irrelevant shyt. The nikka has 2 Finals MVPs on 6 Championships meaning this nikka wasn't the "Man" on 4 of those squads.

Again.....using your logic about why you still consider Kareem a top player because of his many regular season MVPs and scoring titles (again....not the fukking topic I asked if championships counted if didn't win the finals mvp).....so if Kobe had won a few more regular season mvps and a few more scoring titles, would people stop saying he was "Carried by Shaq" or was a "sidekick"? No. nikkas would still say it because no logic is being used there. It's pure bias and hate.

I personally don't think Finals MVPs are that great of a measure. I really believe this. You don't. You're just saying this bullshyt now to cover your tracks with Kareem because I seen your wack ass say 100 times Kobe wasn't shyt because of Shaq winning them but whatever. Finals MVPs can lie. If you have two players on a team with a great difference in talent level, it clearly shows who was the top dog. But what happens when the players are more comparable in talent level? When it's more of a duo than a leader/sidekick dynamic? Somebody has to win it even though no one's the sidekick. A sidekick is a nikka like Joe Dumars or a player like John Starks. Kobe's not a sidekick. What happens if Durant and Westbrook won a ring together? Durant would've won Finals MVP. And y'all silly muthafukkas would say Westbrook was a sidekick. Y'all would have to, to uphold that logic when y'all bash Kobe. But how is Westbrook a sidekick. We just saw this season that Westbrook is capable of averaging a triple double all season. But yet the Thunder winning a ring would've reduced him and all his talent to "sidekick status". Also what happens if Golden State wins a ring this year. Durant will also likely be named Finals MVP. Which means Steph Curry will have won two rings with no Finals MVP. Steph Curry must be a sidekick then. One of the best nikkas to ever play. Sidekick. Unless you're just picking and choosing who to apply that bullshyt to out of thin air instead of following a set standard.

Lastly, when y'all cornballs bring up Kobe not winning the MVPs with Shaq, the implication is that LeBron would've done better. When LeBron was Kobe's age back then (20-26), he doesn't have a single Finals stat line approaching the 40 point 15 rebounds on 60% shooting that Shaq was averaging. Your Golden Boy wouldn't have won a single MVP either.

I'm done. I wrote way too much to a poster I don't even like speaking to. Now go on and reply and change your argument for the 11th time.

I've had the SAME damn argument the whole time.

NO ONE has ever been saying "Player X is better than Player Y" off of Finals MVPs alone.

Your entire argument is "Why is Kareem ranked so high if he only has 2 Finals MVPs". And the short answer is: because he has 6 regular season MVPs and is the all-time scoring leader.

You're trying to yell at a person who doesn't exist. There is no one who has been propping up Kareem based on his 6 titles alone, but who fails to acknowledge Kobe's 5 titles. At least, no one that I know. You can't find ONE post, anywhere on the Coli, ever, where I treated Kareem's 6 titles like Jordan's 6 titles.

You made a bullshyt argument against a fake person who doesn't exist, and when I refuse to be that fake person, you claim I changed.

If I changed, then quote ONE post where I treated Kareem like you say I did. Find ONE post where I say that Kareem's greatest should be judged by his 6 titles without saying that he wasn't carrying the team through most of those titles.

 

[Young Fab]

When you're judged by the "Michael Jordan Standard" yes, Finals MVP's counts.

 

[NORFOLKSOWN]

Jordan standards as someone called it exist because he achieved those things. Jordan raised the bar so high and so many folk try to lower it for someone they Stan to fit the criteria. As fear far as fmvp go I don't think not getting it hurts your legacy but getting it definitely boosts it. The year iggy got it he made scoring hard for a all time great when it mattered.

 

[catskill247]

Curry should have won FMVP in 2015. 26/5/6 there's only been like 2-3 guys in NBA history to put up those kind of numbers on the winning team and not win it. The media was hell bent on being on LeBron getting it that year so it fukked him over to prove a point

I never knew this
But watching all 6 of those games I never felt like curry impacted the series, took it over. Sure he scored but he didn't control those games. My respect for HennyBron went up a notch seeing him do EVERYTHING and almost pull it off and that's why he should of won fmvp even though he lost.

It's still hard to watch that series knowing the Cavs should of won that year.