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Because the outcome wasn't reprehensibly evil. You won't even bother to read about what's actually become law.

I agree with you that their intent was bad, but the outcome wasn't anything to be outraged about.

If you like political conversations then listen to the pod. It's usually a good convo

In my opinion we won't truly know the outcome until we see it in action. Remember interpretation of certain things is not taken into account when looking at laws and we know Republican's are always going to interpreate that stuff at it's most extreme.
 

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They aren't good. And that's the problem.

It's a shame when you're shrugging off the disenfranchisement of voters as not that bad because you expected it to be worse.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...408e84-988f-11eb-a6d0-13d207aadb78_story.html

The law is unnecessary. But I'm not shrugging off disenfranchisement because that's not what happening.

What Does Georgia's New Voting Law SB 202 Do?

The law reduced the time you have to request an absentee ballot from 6 months to 3 months before the election.

3 months is reasonable, imo.

The damning thing is that they're going to be mailing the ballots out much later. So basically it's best if you return your ballot as quickly as possible if it's going by mail. But I've said already that there are parts of this law that need to be repealed.

What parts of the law do you object to the most?
 

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The law is unnecessary. But I'm not shrugging off disenfranchisement because that's not what happening.

What Does Georgia's New Voting Law SB 202 Do?

The law reduced the time you have to request an absentee ballot from 6 months to 3 months before the election.

3 months is reasonable, imo.

The damning thing is that they're going to be mailing the ballots out much later. So basically it's best if you return your ballot as quickly as possible if it's going by mail. But I've said already that there are parts of this law that need to be repealed.

What parts of the law do you object to the most?
It certainly disenfranchises voters. Studies have been done over and over about the effects of voter ID laws.

We experienced this here in NC already when they attempted to implement voter ID laws AND then followed it up with closing down NCDOT / DMV locations further limited peoples access to get identification.

Mind you, this election legislation is passed under the guise of fixing the unproven claims from the Big Lie.

So yes, you are shrugging your shoulders and attempting to disregard the actual harm. But you're not black, do well, and don't live in GA.

You're actually arguing it isn't bad because Republicans told you it isn't bad.:mjlol:
 

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What parts of the law do you object to the most?
  • Expanding voter ID requirements.
  • Limiting the amount of time for mail in voter ID.
  • All but eliminating drop boxes (we know how important this was when the USPS was purposefully delaying mail and Republicans attempted to throw out votes that didn't arrive before election day)
  • Pushing absentee voting two Fridays out for the deadline
  • Making it illegal to provide food and drinks to voters
  • Not allowing third party group to send out voter REGISTRATION FORMS

JUST STOP. I'M NOT GOING DOWN THIS LIS WITH YOU. IT'S BAD.

EXPLAIN TO US IN YOUR OWN WORDS WHY YOU THINK IT'S GOOD NECESSARY AND WHAT IS IT "FIXING"?
 

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It certainly disenfranchises voters. Studies have been done over and over about the effects of voter ID laws.

We experienced this here in NC already when they attempted to implement voter ID laws AND then followed it up with closing down NCDOT / DMV locations further limited peoples access to get identification.

Mind you, this election legislation is passed under the guise of fixing the unproven claims from the Big Lie.

So yes, you are shrugging your shoulders and attempting to disregard the actual harm. But you're not black, do well, and don't live in GA.

You're actually arguing it isn't bad because Republicans told you it isn't bad.:mjlol:

The Voter ID requirement in the law is to simply write down your Driver's License or State ID number on the ballot.

It's really not that serious.

To register to vote you gotta have proof of citizenship anyway

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAAegQIBBAC&usg=AOvVaw0mEy7AU2aE_4TxbMVKW0LG


It really isn't too much to ask
 

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  • Expanding voter ID requirements.
  • Limiting the amount of time for mail in voter ID.
  • All but eliminating drop boxes (we know how important this was when the USPS was purposefully delaying mail and Republicans attempted to throw out votes that didn't arrive before election day)
  • Pushing absentee voting two Fridays out for the deadline
  • Making it illegal to provide food and drinks to voters
  • Not allowing third party group to send out voter REGISTRATION FORMS
JUST STOP. I'M NOT GOING DOWN THIS LIS WITH YOU. IT'S BAD.

EXPLAIN TO US IN YOUR OWN WORDS WHY YOU THINK IT'S GOOD NECESSARY AND WHAT IS IT "FIXING"?

I get it. You think the sky is falling. I do not, though.

Drop boxes didn't even exist in GA before last year. All they're doing is moving the box inside the precinct.

I can attest that I voted that exact same way in Florida this year. Got my ballot by mail, and dropped it off inside the precinct. Even took my elderly parents.

I hate that they're limiting the time to mail back the ballots, but let's be honest, most people dropped them off last year anyway because we didn't trust the USPS. So, in practice, nothing really changes. If you do mail it back you've got 2 months to do it if we assume that the mail will that a month to process (worst case scenario).

The food and drink thing sounds terrible but in practice it's not that bad either. So, we'll just have the food truck 151 ft. away from the precinct instead of right there. Plus poll workers can still hand all that stuff out, it just can't be third party groups.


And third parties can legally still send out registration forms, you're wrong about that.
 

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I get it. You think the sky is falling. I do not, though
No, I think GA Republicans I acted this law to restrict voting rights in response to increasingly tightening races and unfavorable demographics in state elections. This legislation was passed as a response to losing the GA runoffs and under the guise of the big lie.

Again you're ignoring this point and casting it aside. :mjpls:
Drop boxes didn't even exist in GA before last year. All they're doing is moving the box inside the precinct.
Drop boxes made voting easier? Now they want to make it more difficult. Why?:mjpls:

I can attest that I voted that exact same way in Florida this year. Got my ballot by mail, and dropped it off inside the precinct. Even took my elderly parents.

And? This is a red herring.

I hate that they're limiting the time to mail back the ballots, but let's be honest, most people dropped them off last year anyway because we didn't trust the USPS. So, in practice, nothing really changes. If you do mail it back you've got 2 months to do it if we assume that the mail will that a month to process (worst case scenario).

So you admit it was a problem and your solution is to codify the workaround as law instead of working on the fix? :snoop:
The food and drink thing sounds terrible but in practice it's not that bad either. So, we'll just have the food truck 151 ft. away from the precinct instead of right there. Plus poll workers can still hand all that stuff out, it just can't be third party groups.

What issue is it fixing? Was there some sort of illegal food distribution training elections? :lupe:
And third parties can legally still send out registration forms, you're wrong about that.
Yes, but people or they lose voter registration forms. The logic for voter ID laws is that it will prevent duplicate voters. If that's the case, then the following is unnecessary and there to suit another goal:

Plus, third-party groups are only allowed to send applications to voters who have not already requested or voted an absentee ballot. The groups potentially face a penalty for each duplicate sent.

What are you afraid of happening? And show where this has been happening.
 

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Oh and I've already stated that I don't think it's necessary, @Pressure . I just don't think it's that bad either.

Especially not to the extent portrayed online
My original quote stated that it is merely bad. And the restriction of voting rights is bad. Just because it isn't as restrictive as they wanted doesn't mean you should shrug your shoulders are discredit the legitimate complaints people are making about voter disenfranchisement.

We've gone full circle. I won't do it again. :mindblown:
 

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No, I think GA Republicans I acted this law to restrict voting rights in response to increasingly tightening races and unfavorable demographics in state elections. This legislation was passed as a response to losing the GA runoffs and under the guise of the big lie.

Again you're ignoring this point and casting it aside. :mjpls:

Drop boxes made voting easier? Now they want to make it more difficult. Why?:mjpls:



And? This is a red herring.



So you admit it was a problem and your solution is to codify the workaround as law instead of working on the fix? :snoop:


What issue is it fixing? Was there some sort of illegal food distribution training elections? :lupe:

Yes, but people or they lose voter registration forms. The logic for voter ID laws is that it will prevent duplicate voters. If that's the case, then the following is unnecessary and there to suit another goal:



What are you afraid of happening? And show where this has been happening.

I agree with you about why the GA GOP tried to enact the law. I'm not casting it aside. It just doesn't matter in the analysis of the law itself. It mattered during the legislative process, and due to major push-back, the actual law doesn't seem to be one that will accomplish what we perceive to have been their goal.

The dropboxes which didn't exist before 2020, have now been made mandatory by law.

And the voting by mail thing isn't necessarily a "problem". It's just a change. It went from having about 5 months to vote by mail, down to having 2 months. Either way it's long enough. The mail in American ain't that bad.

The food and drink thing itself is a red herring. Lol, I just paced it out and from my mailbox to my front door is damn near 150 ft. who cares about that shyt. Plus poll workers can STILL give out food and water.

Third-party groups can still send out apps, like we covered, so nothing to be upset about there.

What I'm more curious about is the "under the hood" changes to the GA Electoral process. Does anything in this law allow for the GOP to backdoor their way into a win? I haven't read anything on that aspect of the law yet.

My original quote stated that it is merely bad. And the restriction of voting rights is bad. Just because it isn't as restrictive as they wanted doesn't mean you should shrug your shoulders are discredit the legitimate complaints people are making about voter disenfranchisement.

We've gone full circle. I won't do it again. :mindblown:

You said the law wasn't good, I contend that the law isn't (that) bad. It just is. Anyone who wants to vote in GA, will be able to; easier than they did in 2019.
 

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i feel like if yal changed the name to "nikka nerds" then barstool might throw yall that check

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Y’all should use Anchor. Not sure if you live close to one another, but that would help clean the pod up a bit more.
 
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