ya'll got the nerve to complain about economies not supporting this range of college majors then not hold people accountable for their ability to create and/or contribute to economies.
gonna bring this back up since ya'll wanted to ignore it.
The college scholarship illusion
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gonna bring this back up since ya'll wanted to ignore it.
The humanities are a thinly veiled distraction meant to weed people out of the working pool and to both engage those who wish to gamble their fates in ultimately being forced to work in a service economy.
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Humanities Fall From Favor
Far Fewer Harvard Students Express Interest in Field With Weak Job Prospects
Humanities Fall From Favor
Far Fewer Harvard Students Express Interest in Field With Weak Job Prospects
By
JENNIFER LEVITZ and
DOUGLAS BELKIN
June 6, 2013 12:15 a.m. ET
Far fewer Harvard students express interest in majoring in the humanities, a field with weaker job and pay prospects than the hard sciences. Joseph Barrett reports. Photo: Dominick Reuter for The Wall Street Journal.
CAMBRIDGE, Mass.—The humanities division at Harvard University, for centuries a standard-bearer of American letters, is attracting fewer undergraduates amid concerns about the degree's value in a rapidly changing job market.
A university report being released Thursday suggests the division aggressively market itself to freshmen and sophomores, create a broader interdisciplinary framework to retain students and build an internship network to establish the value of the degree in the workforce.
This "is an anti-intellectual moment, and what matters to me is that we, the people in arts and humanities, find creative and affirmative ways of engaging the moment," said Diana Sorensen, Harvard's dean of Arts and Humanities. The division needs to show "what it is our work does so they don't think we're just living up in the clouds all the time."
Harvard sophomore Shannon Lytle, poses for a portrait, Wednesday, June 5, 2013, in Cambridge, MA. Lytle is studying computer science, in part because of the preferred job prospects he will have after graduating. Dominick Reuter for The Wall Street JournalUniversities' humanities divisions and liberal-arts colleges across the nation are facing similar challenges in the wake of stepped-up global economic competition, a job market that is disproportionately rewarding graduates in the hard sciences, rising tuition and sky-high student-debt levels.
Among recent college graduates who majored in English, the unemployment rate was 9.8%; for philosophy and religious-studies majors, it was 9.5%; and for history majors, it was also 9.5%, according to a report this month by the Georgetown Public Policy Institute that used data from 2010 and 2011.
Students have taken note. In 2010, just 7% of college graduates nationally majored in the humanities, down from 14% in 1966. At Harvard, humanities majors have fallen to 20% in 2012 from 36% in 1954. In the last decade, the decline in humanities students at Harvard has been particularly pronounced, with one-third fewer prospective freshmen expressing interest in the field.
Shannon Lytle, a 19-year-old from Youngstown, Ohio, who is heading into his sophomore year at Harvard, considered majoring in history, but instead he will pick computer science when he declares a concentration in a few months.
"People say you should do what you love," Mr. Lytle said during a break from his job giving tours of the Ivy League campus Wednesday. "But the reality is that it's kind of a tougher economic time, and we do have to worry about living after graduation. I don't want to be doing what I love and be homeless," he added.
The weaker job prospects in certain fields have led four Republican governors to call for funding cuts at departments in public universities that they don't believe prepare students for the workforce.
"If you want to take gender studies, that's fine, go to private school," North Carolina GOP Gov. Patrick McCrory said in a radio interview in January. "But I don't want to subsidize that if it's not going to get someone a job."
School presidents and administrators at liberal-arts colleges have already started to take a more job-oriented approach to a liberal-arts education. At Wake Forest University, the career-service department has been integrated into the curriculum. Professors are now expected to help students connect the curriculum to employment opportunities in the workforce, said Andy Chan, vice president for Personal and Career Development at the school.
"We're engaging every student from their first day on campus to maximize their career development," said Mr. Chan.
At Harvard, students today are understandably focused on the job market and on earning money, said Homi Bhabha, director of the Humanities Center at Harvard. "That clearly throws a shadow on people's enthusiasm," said the bespectacled professor in an interview in his book-filled office on the leafy campus.
Mr. Bhabha said he didn't give much weight to criticism from some elected officials who carp that young people need to go into fields that are supposedly more useful.
"I think that's because they have a very primitive and reductive view of what is essential in society," he said. "There are jobs, and even in business, the humanities play a major role."
In fact, to hear Mr. Bhabha and Harvard tell it, the outlook is actually good for humanities majors. They have a high acceptance rate into law and medical schools, and are in demand in business world for critical writing and thinking skills, Mr. Bhabha said.
The report noted that Harvard's humanities division had in some ways cut itself off from the job market—training students to be academics rather than "truly educated citizens" of the broader society.
"Those of us committed to criticism and critique might recognize a kernel of truth in conservative fears about the left-leaning academy," according to the report. "Among the ways we sometimes alienate students from the humanities is the impression they get that some ideas are unspeakable in our classroom."
Write to Jennifer Levitz at jennifer.levitz@wsj.com and Douglas Belkin at doug.belkin@wsj.com
JENNIFER LEVITZ and
DOUGLAS BELKIN
June 6, 2013 12:15 a.m. ET
Far fewer Harvard students express interest in majoring in the humanities, a field with weaker job and pay prospects than the hard sciences. Joseph Barrett reports. Photo: Dominick Reuter for The Wall Street Journal.
CAMBRIDGE, Mass.—The humanities division at Harvard University, for centuries a standard-bearer of American letters, is attracting fewer undergraduates amid concerns about the degree's value in a rapidly changing job market.
A university report being released Thursday suggests the division aggressively market itself to freshmen and sophomores, create a broader interdisciplinary framework to retain students and build an internship network to establish the value of the degree in the workforce.
This "is an anti-intellectual moment, and what matters to me is that we, the people in arts and humanities, find creative and affirmative ways of engaging the moment," said Diana Sorensen, Harvard's dean of Arts and Humanities. The division needs to show "what it is our work does so they don't think we're just living up in the clouds all the time."
Harvard sophomore Shannon Lytle, poses for a portrait, Wednesday, June 5, 2013, in Cambridge, MA. Lytle is studying computer science, in part because of the preferred job prospects he will have after graduating. Dominick Reuter for The Wall Street Journal
Among recent college graduates who majored in English, the unemployment rate was 9.8%; for philosophy and religious-studies majors, it was 9.5%; and for history majors, it was also 9.5%, according to a report this month by the Georgetown Public Policy Institute that used data from 2010 and 2011.
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Business and legal leaders who graduated from Harvard in the humanities and related academic disciplines:
- Stanley Marcus (English Literature), late chairman of high-end retailer Neiman Marcus
- Sumner Redstone (Classics and Government), media magnate
- Lloyd Blankfein (Social Studies), chairman and CEO of Goldman Sachs
- John Roberts (History), U.S. Supreme Court's chief justice
Students have taken note. In 2010, just 7% of college graduates nationally majored in the humanities, down from 14% in 1966. At Harvard, humanities majors have fallen to 20% in 2012 from 36% in 1954. In the last decade, the decline in humanities students at Harvard has been particularly pronounced, with one-third fewer prospective freshmen expressing interest in the field.
Shannon Lytle, a 19-year-old from Youngstown, Ohio, who is heading into his sophomore year at Harvard, considered majoring in history, but instead he will pick computer science when he declares a concentration in a few months.
"People say you should do what you love," Mr. Lytle said during a break from his job giving tours of the Ivy League campus Wednesday. "But the reality is that it's kind of a tougher economic time, and we do have to worry about living after graduation. I don't want to be doing what I love and be homeless," he added.
The weaker job prospects in certain fields have led four Republican governors to call for funding cuts at departments in public universities that they don't believe prepare students for the workforce.
"If you want to take gender studies, that's fine, go to private school," North Carolina GOP Gov. Patrick McCrory said in a radio interview in January. "But I don't want to subsidize that if it's not going to get someone a job."
School presidents and administrators at liberal-arts colleges have already started to take a more job-oriented approach to a liberal-arts education. At Wake Forest University, the career-service department has been integrated into the curriculum. Professors are now expected to help students connect the curriculum to employment opportunities in the workforce, said Andy Chan, vice president for Personal and Career Development at the school.
At Harvard, students today are understandably focused on the job market and on earning money, said Homi Bhabha, director of the Humanities Center at Harvard. "That clearly throws a shadow on people's enthusiasm," said the bespectacled professor in an interview in his book-filled office on the leafy campus.
Mr. Bhabha said he didn't give much weight to criticism from some elected officials who carp that young people need to go into fields that are supposedly more useful.
"I think that's because they have a very primitive and reductive view of what is essential in society," he said. "There are jobs, and even in business, the humanities play a major role."
In fact, to hear Mr. Bhabha and Harvard tell it, the outlook is actually good for humanities majors. They have a high acceptance rate into law and medical schools, and are in demand in business world for critical writing and thinking skills, Mr. Bhabha said.
The report noted that Harvard's humanities division had in some ways cut itself off from the job market—training students to be academics rather than "truly educated citizens" of the broader society.
"Those of us committed to criticism and critique might recognize a kernel of truth in conservative fears about the left-leaning academy," according to the report. "Among the ways we sometimes alienate students from the humanities is the impression they get that some ideas are unspeakable in our classroom."
Write to Jennifer Levitz at jennifer.levitz@wsj.com and Douglas Belkin at doug.belkin@wsj.com
We need a more diverse job market that has more high paying jobs to raise the standard of living.
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You know it's funny...if you ask someone "do you want to go to college?" they will say "yes"...but if you ask someone "do you want to take a chance in going into severe financial debt to obtain a piece of paper that may help lead you to a better life, but might also completely alienate you from several job markets" they will say "no"
The point of a liberal arts college was never to teach skills, but the final indoctrination necessary to take one's inherited place as a member of the upper class. Some people saw it as a shortcut to joining that class. In the past, it amused members of the class to allow this, but in these economically straitened times, they're pulling the ladder up. Now, you need to "prove" you're already a member, by stumping up the cash.
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WHAT DOES THIS MEAN???
do you think existing jobs just "pop" into existence?
talking about "what you need" doesn't make any sense since this is an empty comment.
The market creates its own niches.
What job market do you envision for all these people with useless majors?
what can these people do for others intrinsically?
Ya'll don't even understand that a lot of these majors were the result of efforts by the already elite to frolick around with "heady" topics to further elucidate some sort of esoteric meaning of existence...not because its meant to serve as some innate enlightenment.
too bad.
stop telling kids to major in non-sense and start focusing on tangible skills.
Not all kids are gonna make it. I'm just not gonna sugar-coat that.
not true or so simple
Make you kid into a statistic and keep him in the employee sector forever, breh. STEM one day will not pay the bills. It will be oversaturated like the Lawyers back in the 90s.
find me a job that literally can employ all these linguistics majors then.
you want these people to have jobs, go tell me what they should do.
You keep talking about "job opportunities"
well, go find 'em.
You sound like you have no idea what I do...but alright. All the better.
Also, as ive said before, not all stem is equal.
Traditional bench-biology is giving way to computational biologists. shyt like that is part of the shift...
find me a job that literally can employ all these linguistics majors then.
you want these people to have jobs, go tell me what they should do.
You keep talking about "job opportunities"
well, go find 'em.
you are looking at it from inside the system/market and not outside and seeing how you are nothing more than a manipulative number, the flavor of the month for the 1 percent to use until you are no longer an asset