The concept of 72 virgins in Islam
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the cac mamba
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If the alternative is being murdered, I would choose to as well.
Peace be with you, know one is murdering anyone for exposing their face because of religion.
Peace be with you,
Brother, you post the same article over and over, proving that this is an isolated incident. Thank you, but insulting someone, and using profanity doesn't help your point, it just shows why Islam is superior.
Peace be with you.
the cac mamba
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islam is not superior to anything, and you cant even give us tangible reasons why it is. 'allah created it, so its perfect' is awful reasoning
TheReligionofPeace - Islam: A Woman is Worth Less than a Man
heres a few select passages from that filthy book of lies that you call 'holy'
Peace be with you,
Brother, that website is a hate website that is full of bias opinions, so I refuse to look at it. It is essentially a terrible reference site that picks and chooses things to paint islam in a negative light. Until you discuss with a Islamic scholar about the deen, you will never have a real fair opinion. Since you are so interested in Islam, I suggest you contact someone at a mosque and speak with a scholar brother. Did you watch the video I posted?
BTW brother, for your betterment, no one will respect your opinion if you try to insult them, that is in any debate.
Peace be with you.
ehh
i would rather have 72 sluts who know what they are doing.
you ever had good sex with a virgin.
no one ever does unless you are into domination and shyt like that.
hmmm... my sister and mother are Muslim and they wear scarfs on their heads. They both have degrees. My sister has a Master degree. Also, they both work. That decade old link you posted is an example of cultural beliefs being mixed with religion. Sorry to prove your stereotypes wrong.
Also, I love how religious people bash one religion for being ignorant when religion in general is ignorant. Lets not even act like Islam is the only religion where women are valued less...
I have never met a religious person who follows 100% of the teachings of their holy book. Most of you like to gloss over the negative stuff.
You people need religion to scare you into to doing the right thing. Which is pathetic.
Hip-Hop-Bulls
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from the 'holy' bible
1 timothy 2:11: let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
There's more that can be considered sexism w/o the proper understanding.
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The only thing immaculate in 72 are the dolphins
the cac mamba
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wowin other words, they took a bunch of awful quotes from the quran that you refuse to address
the cac mamba
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Mashallah your sisters sound like great women, may Allah continue to bless them.
I disagree with what you said about all religions valueing women less than men though, Islam values men and women equally, but in different aspects.
in other words, they took a bunch of awful quotes from the quran that you refuse to address
No my brother, in other words, you can not fully quote the quran without knowing Arabic and even then you can not just pick a part of the book and not understand what it is referencing and twist it for your own political use, similar to How the bible was changed. That's what sites like that do.
Peace be with both you brothers.
the cac mamba
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typical islamist copout. i knew that would be your answer before i even posted it
Qur'an (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176). In Islam, sexism is mathematically established.
Qur'an (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women." Muslim apologists offer creative explanations to explain why Allah felt that a man's testimony in court should be valued twice as highly as a woman's, but studies consistently show that women are actually less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they would make more reliable witnesses.
Qur'an (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"
Qur'an (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" Men are to rub dirt on their hands if there is no water to purify them following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands).
Qur'an (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye. (To be fair, men are told to do the same thing in the prior verse).
Qur'an (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." A man has dominion over his wives' bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of anal intercourse, which it has been used historically to justify. If this is what Muhammad meant, however, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365).
Qur'an (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four" Inequality by numbers.
Qur'an (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male.
Qur'an (4:24) and Qur'an (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives (those whom they right hand possesses).
From the Hadith:
Bukhari (6:301) - "[Muhammad] said, 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her intelligence.'"
Bukhari (6:301) - continued - "[Muhammad said] 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her religion.'" Allah has made women deficient in the practice of their religion as well, by giving them menstrual cycles.
Bukhari (2:28) - Women comprise the majority of Hell's occupants. This is important because the only women in heaven ever mentioned by Muhammad are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men. (A weak Hadith, Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell).
Bukhari (62:81) - "The Prophet said: "'The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women's) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract).'" In other words, the most important thing that a woman brings to a marriage is between her legs.
Bukhari (62:58) - A woman presents herself in marriage to Muhammad, but he does not find her attractive, so he "donates" her on the spot to another man.
Muslim (4:1039) - "A'isha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'" These are the words of Muhammad's favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.
Abu Dawud (2:704) - "...the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw."
Abu Dawud (2155) - Women are compared to slaves and camels with regard to the "evil" in them.
Ishaq 593 - "As for Ali, he said, 'Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another.'" Ali was raised as a son by Muhammad. He was also the 4th caliph. This comment was made in Muhammad's presence without a word of rebuke from him.
Ishaq 593 - "From the captives of Hunayn, Allah's Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another." - Even in this world, Muhammad treated women like party favors, handing out slave girls to his cronies for sex.
Al-Tirmidhi 3272 - "When Allah's Messenger was asked which woman was best he replied, 'The one who pleases (her husband) when he looks at her, obeys him when he gives a command, and does not go against his wishes regarding her person or property by doing anything of which he disapproves'."
San Francisco... Its right under my join date. I have lived in Tokyo and Singapore. All three places have a decent amount of Muslims. During the Fukushima disaster many of them fed the people who survived and let them stay move into their homes. Damn those savage Muslims helping out non Muslims when they should be killing them... How is 10 years not a long time?where do they live?
also,
Are you atheist? If not what religion do you belong to?
the cac mamba
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San Francisco. How is 10 years not a long time?
Are you atheist? If not what religion do you belong to?
wow, so you pointed out the women in your family doing things in america that they couldnt do in islamist countries. thanks for reiterating my point
. also, no, ten fukkin years is not a long time when we're talking about the culture of a country changingim an agnostic, because i dont know whether or not god exists. no one on this board does either, although they act like they do