the d.o.c. reveals: i've lived with dr. dre for most of my life (vladtv)

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Dre knows that the D.O.C is lightyears
away from everybody else concept,thought
and rhyme wise.

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Doc was light years better than tupac, my nikka.

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Right :heh:. Lmao & smh at the post-death 2pac fanatics and/or fake post-death 2pac dikkriding that the likes of Snoop has been doing for 20 years.

As if 2pac was this great rapper or lyricist, nah. Biggie neither. They were definitely talented and was popular at a time but all that super duper extra shyt is what they do
anytime a celebrity dies. Phony shyt.
 

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i think it's one of those things where him not knowin' the great friend that he has until they go they separate ways and then havin' to regroup and build again

plus, they in the business and it gets fickled and friendships get lost in the process all the time but dre and the d.o.c. should have been had the business part of their relationship worked out; all this time and the work the d.o.c. has done, he should be straight financially


In the timeline how it all occurred.
It makes sense how and why things are the way they are admin wise for the doc.
In the time line of how everything happened.
The doc never really got a breather and neither did dre.
It was always large global issues bigger that held precedent over any situation they were in.
So, I can see how there was no liquid available.
I can easily see why executive admin wise, he may have never been situated.
I can see how doc is humbled by the situation.
Plus, how and why things panned out to be how they are now.
So, given the situation it is kinda hard to say it should have been squared away.
When, there really kinda was no air time to close out anything for doc administratively like that.
So, given the timeline.
It makes sense why he never had everything squared away for himself admin wise.



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C/S.......

I've always said this........DOC was so talented and it's unfortunate that we only got 1 real album from him....


Pound for pound one of the best to ever rip a microphone, ever.
I mean from the first snare and hihat drum kit and cymbal.
you heard from him, on his record.
He was as good as krs or rakim or any one in that era given the distinction of going down as the goat.
He was that scary good,....
Plus, he actually got dre's sample based movie house cinematic production and dre's real production style too.
Doc was a special special talent.
One of the most special in rap history and I know so, cause I remember where I was and how the sky looked the curtains, the pavement, like the whole day how it looked when I heard funky enough. I even remember out the ordinary where I was when it dropped, and where I saw the video.
Plus, it was one of those records that I don't think it had a white label released first at all and I still remember the video just coming on out of nowhere.
It is hordes of rap records I can recount visibly everything around me when I heard it the first time.
The doc's funky enough I remember what was going on and all that when it debuted.


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In the timeline how it all occurred.
It makes sense how and why things are the way they are admin wise for the doc.
In the time line of how everything happened.
The doc never really got a breather and neither did dre.
It was always large global issues bigger that held precedent over any situation they were in.
So, I can see how there was no liquid available.
I can easily see why executive admin wise, he may have never been situated.
I can see how doc is humbled by the situation.
Plus, how and why things panned out to be how they are now.
So, given the situation it is kinda hard to say it should have been squared away.
When, there really kinda was no air time to close out anything for doc administratively like that.
So, given the timeline.
It makes sense why he never had everything squared away for himself admin wise.



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Right :heh:. Lmao & smh at the post-death 2pac fanatics and/or fake post-death 2pac dikkriding that the likes of Snoop has been doing for 20 years.

As if 2pac was this great rapper or lyricist, nah. Biggie neither. They were definitely talented and was popular at a time but all that super duper extra shyt is what they do
anytime a celebrity dies. Phony shyt.


Snoop nor big nor Pac were in doc's class as an emcee at all.
Doc is one of the few emcees in rap history on his first appearance you know this was a goat candidate like krs, rakim and Kane were.
He was in that class and no lower.
He was the first westcoast rapper before the south was segregated in the re-alignment of the westcoast. like re-configuring the conferences in football.
That any cultural bias he never felt as an emcee and back then with ruthless.
Given the content direction of nwa being taboo.
All from a first person perspective and not the cautionary tale rap sonic audio history book.
Rap was supposed to be made in after the cowboy edict.
Doc was the only artist from out west and south after re-alignment.
That I can safely say,...
he was the best westcoast emcee and the best southern emcee of all time as well.
As nobody recognized Texas, Dallas to be exact.
as an actual destination and also another southern city an emcee could be given props for and props of that esteem and magnitude for.

By the formula, single release,....
Doc, if the timeline was different and no accident occurred.
Doc could have been in full contention for the crown of goat and nobody would have disputed it.

That is how there he was and how expert talented he is.

Case in point, eminem's biterphobia.
He straight jacks the worldwind pyramid flow.
Which was at least five or six years later and at least three or four sonic landscape changes later.
That is how next level and ahead of his time doc is.
Plus, how much more expertedly talented doc was than damn near all of the rap game in one album.
Plus, his skill was so profound.
That Eminem as a white rapper had to use doc's skill set and emulation of his skill set.
as a measuring stick of how good Eminem possibly could be in the future.
Especially in that era after vanilla ice and white people were not allowed to rap period after vanilla ice at ALL, LIKE NOT ALL.
That is how different, the sync, and ahead of his time doc was.



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Why does it seem like Dre never let DOC properly eat and have fukked up paperwork his whole career when DOC been an integral part of his career, penned most of his work and is supposed to be his best friend?

I've wondered this, too.

At the very least, get the man a high paying position at Aftermath. Something.
 

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Snoop nor big nor Pac were in doc's class as an emcee at all.
Doc is one of the few emcees in rap history on his first appearance you know this was a goat candidate like krs, rakim and Kane were.
He was in that class and no lower.
He was the first westcoast rapper before the south was segregated in the re-align of the westcoast like re-configuring the conferences in football.
That any cultural bias he never felt as an emcee and back then with ruthless.
Given the content direction of nwa being taboo.
All from a first person perspective and not the cautionary tale rap sonic audio history book.
Rap was supposed to be made in after the cowboy edict.
Doc was the only artist from out west and south after re-alignment.
That I can safe he was the best westcoast emcee and the best southern emcee of all time as well.
As nobody recognized Texas, Dallas to be exact.
as an actual destination and also another southern city an emcee could he given props for and props of that esteem and magnitude for.

By the formula, single release,....
Doc, if the timeline was different and no accident occurred.
Doc could have been in full contention for the crown of goat and nobody would have disputed it.

That is how there he was and how expert talented he is.

Case in point, eminem's biterphobia.
He straight jacks the worldwind pyramid flow.
Which was at least five or six years later and at least three or four sonic landscape changes later.
That is how next level and ahead of his time doc is.
Plus, how much more expertedly talented doc was than damn near all of the rap game in one album.
Plus, his skill was so profound.
That Eminem as a white rapper had to use doc's skill set and emulation of his skill set.
as a measuring stick of how good Eminem possibly could be in the future.
Especially in that era after vanilla ice and white people were not allowed to rap period after vanilla ice at ALL, LIKE NOT ALL.
That is how different, the sync, and ahead of his time doc was.



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...i have nothing else to add-in. You laced it big dog, i agree 100%.
 

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DOC is a sucker. :camby: How many times is he going to fall out with Dre and reunite with him before he realises that Dre only cares about himself, and basically uses people as long as its beneficial to him? The worst thing is every time he and Dre have their annual "break-ups", DOC doesn't even put himself out there to work with other artists, or build his own shyt. He just fades away until Dre decided to call him again
 

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Doc, if the timeline was different and no accident occurred.
Doc could have been in full contention for the crown of goat and nobody would have disputed it.
WIthout question. I still remember listening "Portrait of a Masterpiece" like :mindblown:. I also had that same look when I found out he got a piece of Badu...:wow:
 

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D.O.C was the only rapper of that day
that could be mentioned in the same breath
as Rakim..
if you ask me he was better.....learn your hiphop
history breh.
:ehh:



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If, doc got to make that definitive girl song like mahogany and followed it up with know what's on ya mind type of record.
I could say, he could have potentially been more commercially viable than rakim.
Which was more the perception and being able to squeeze around the cowboy edict and get a positive rub from the ruthless afiliation.
Yet, I don't think doc had the capacity to go in the realm of depth.
that rakim went into outside of the hardest content to write and be exactly convincing is the girl record.
Especially for that time and sonic landscape.
I am not sure doc could have answered the jody Whatley I bet you can't write this type of record for with me exercise.
That rakim took the challenge and succeeded in doing back then.
The thing that makes ra the second best all time.
is his ability to make the most difficult content base records and not lose any layer of convincability.
or sacrifice any of his technical base or artistry.
I am not sure doc could have done that and continued to expertly do it the way Ra has.
in the small but large volume sample size of straight classic girl records back to back to back without fail that Ra has dropped.
Including the girl records masterfully written on the master and also seventh seal.
So, in that is where the question marks form in comparing him to Ra.
As doc would have if he went unharmed.
would have had to eventually make especially after mahogany to keep pace with the overall goat argument outside of krs.
Krs, who never has to make a girl record and won't be judged on that criteria.
which is what makes him the goat culturally overall.
In the case of the doc, rakim, Kane and LL.
those dudes physically feature wise are the actual visage of the black man in living color.
To the point even shante says that exactly about Kane on actual quotes over her career in print, and tv.
That they would be subjected to that criteria unfairly.
Especially after Ra took and ovelry excelled at the Whatley challenge.
While, krs would not be subject to that criteria culturally.
Which is why krs is the goat.
as that content is not required of krs, to make at all.
All because he ushered in the new school way of thought and put the rnb based content out to pasture.
That plagued the quality of rap moving forward in the ol school way of thought..being under attack by the likes of guys like the force md's.
Who were making rnb and trying to package it as rap.



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