"The FBI is Trumplandia"

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Could be a generational thing. The stuff I heard about the FBI was back in like mid-90 something now that I think about it.

Regardless, you can't seriously deny the FBI has engaged in violence and gross crimes against black people historically. That doesn't go away from the institution in a decade or two.

Racism aside, it's obvious that the FBI is mostly Trump voters just based on statistics. The FBI disproportionately white and male. White males are voting overwhelmingly for Trump. White males with a passion or interest in law enforcement I'm sure trend even higher for Trump.

So the claim about FBI agents going rogue with leaks to influence the election is perfectly reasonable, especially when coming from actual FBI agents which are cited in the Guardian piece

Historically, of course. It's undeniable. I'm just speaking from my experience as of a few years ago. Not only did I not see or hear racism, borderline racism, potentially racist jokes or whatever, I honestly, not once, heard anybody say Obama's name. Nobody ever talked politics. I don't know if you really think I'm racist and/or clueless to racism or what, but I really never heard one thing that could even be interpreted as such. If anything, they'd criticize the Director.

There is also a serious difference between agents and police officers. Some are ex law enforcement, but the agents are usually on a higher plane. Also, many are not jocks. Some, in spite of the fitness test, are shockingly out of shape and overweight because even in criminal investigative work, it's primarily investigative and not physical.

The perception I had, and I often have a serious problem with how police operate, was that these were regular, good people who just wanted to uphold the law and even then, sometimes they thought the law was a bit silly, yet that wasn't their role to make or interpret law, but to enforce it. There were a few cowboy jocks who were a$$holes, but on the whole... nah.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Of course, law enforcement institutions in a racialized capitalist society are all racist, and tend to be the most racist since their task is to keep oppressed people in line

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

POLITICS
Maybe The FBI’s Love For Trump Has Something To Do With How Extremely White And Male It Is
FBI director James Comey has said he “will have failed” if he doesn’t make the agency less white.
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Nick Baumann Senior Enterprise Editor, The Huffington Post
The FBI is “Trumplandia,” The Guardian’s Spencer Ackerman reported this week following a series of leaks from the law enforcement agency regarding alleged investigations into Hillary Clinton and her family’s foundation. “Deep antipathy to Hillary Clinton exists within the FBI,” he added.

That makes sense. White men are overwhelmingly likely to support Donald Trump, and the FBI is a culturally conservative law enforcement agency that is overwhelmingly white and male.

The FBI has actually gotten whiter in recent years. As of Aug. 1, 83.2 percent of FBI special agents were white, according to internal statistics. That’s a higher percentage than in 2008. More than 80 percent of FBI special agents are men. Last year, FBI director James Comey joked that the fictional FBI depicted on the television show “Quantico” made FBI agents look more “attractive and diverse” than they did real life.

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Trump leads Clinton by 26 points among white men, according to YouGov’s polling model. Of course, the white men in the agency aren’t a perfect mirror of the white male vote nationally. FBI special agents need a bachelor’s degree from a four-year college (Trump also leads Clinton by 14 points among college-educated white men, according to YouGov), and their security clearances and desire to work in public service also make them different from the general population.

Trump would win the election with 493 electoral votes if only white men voted, according to a recent analysis by Mother Jones (using YouGov’s data):

MOTHER JONES
There’s another reason to believe FBI agents are more likely than the general population to support Trump: They work in law enforcement. Trump has courted law enforcement and presented himself as the “law and order” candidate. He’s won the endorsement of the union that represents Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, as well as that of the Fraternal Order of Police, the largest police union. And top Trump surrogate Rudy Giuliani’s former law firm has deep ties to the FBI Agents Association, which represents the interests of most FBI agents.

“If you think it’s breaking news that the culture of the agents of the FBI is a political conservative culture, that is not news,” says Tim Weiner, who wrote Enemies, the definitive history of the bureau. “The culture of the rank and file of the FBI has been a conservative culture since J. Edgar Hoover was a baby. The FBI was founded in 1908 and it is both a law enforcement agency and now after 9/11 primarily an intelligence agency. It attracts people who served as cops and spies.”

The FBI has a history of discriminating against minority special agents. Hundreds of black FBI employees sued the agency in the early 1990s for racial discrimination. “The higher you go up the agency ladder,” The Marshall Project reported last year, “the less likely you are to encounter” minorities.

The federal government counts anyone whose family origins were in “the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa” as white, so it’s not clear how many people the FBI has hired who have family backgrounds in the Middle East or North Africa. On Sept. 11, 2001, there were only eight FBI agents in the U.S. who spoke Arabic. Five years later, in 2006, the FBI faced criticism when a lawsuit revealed that, despite the agency’s central role in fighting terrorist groups composed largely of Arabic speakers, only a handful of its special agents were fluent in Arabic. There’s no up-to-date, public data on how many special agents are of Arab or Muslim backgrounds or speak Arabic.

Comey has called the increasing whiteness of the bureau a “crisis,” adding that he “will have failed if I don’t change this.”

@Brady Hoke's Artery

I'm so full of shyt though right?

 

[the next guy]

@Brady Hoke's Artery

I'm so full of shyt though right?

Maybe she shouldn't have done all those things. No goldman sachs, no email servers. But it's too much to ask the Clinton to stay out of trouble...so they can avoid things like this.

 

[yseJ]

I don't even post much in here, but damn @Mephistopheles this thread reads like a nap thread

Using same logic we can say any institution or org in the US that is majority white and male is TrumpLandia...(which probably would mean majority of institutions and organizations since they're still white and male dominant, especially on fed level)

And then using same logic we can say any of these organizations investigating any Trump opponent is basically doing so on purpose. So in this case HRC by this logic has immunity from any fed org that is majority white and male ?

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I don't even post much in here, but damn @Mephistopheles this thread reads like a nap thread

Using same logic we can say any institution or org in the US that is majority white and male is TrumpLandia...(which probably would mean majority of institutions and organizations since they're still white and male dominant, especially on fed level)

And then using same logic we can say any of these organizations investigating any Trump opponent is basically doing so on purpose. So in this case HRC by this logic has immunity from any fed org that is majority white and male ?

Using the same logic? No. Using absurd convoluted anti-logic that you just made up and attributed to me, yeah.

Fact: The FBI is 83% white male.

Fact: White males support Trump over Clinton by about 25% in most polls.

Fact: Law enforcement people skew more conservative in their political leanings. And a central plank if Trump's platform is him being the self-proclaimed "law and order" candidate.

Based on that data, we know most FBI people are pro-Trump.

And this isn't just "an institution" we're talking about. This is the highest level of federal law enforcement with the power to investigate and indict government officials.

And I never said HRC should be immune from anything.

But it seems pretty clear that there is a prominent pro-Trump rogue element within the FBI that is trying to influence the election on behalf of Trump by leaking and pushing for the e-mail investigation stuff to be public.

Comey pretty much admitted this himself when he said he sent the letter to congress to get out in front of what were going to be inevitable leaks.

But you don't have to listen to me, just listen to the actual FBI agents that are talking to various media outlets about it.

And please stick to football.

 

[Broke Wave]

You don't even believe what you typed.



You know people who have considered applying and were warned (by who) about overt racism?



You are so full of shyt, it's unbelievable. Somehow that's enough to say it's a mostly racist institution? Well I worked with hundreds of people there and I can assure you, I've never met one person who expressed a racist opinion. I also worked with a lot of people who weren't white males.



This whole call anybody who disagrees with me thing racist is laughable bullshyt. What do you want me to tell you to make you feel better? I have black friends?

A 30 something year old white guy saying "I can assure you, I've met hundreds of people from X and BELIEVE ME, they're not racist at all. I didn't get any racist vibes from them at all

Why don't you open a fukking book you moron. Short of that go to google or wikipedia and google the RECENT HISTORY of the FBI

This racist cac is gonna quote me with some Trump smiley and talk about how I'm either mad or bytch made, but he will avoid the facts. The FBI is notoriously racist and the most racist part of the entire Federal Government BAR NONE.

Hard Truths: Law Enforcement and Race — FBI

This is James Comey, FBI director, saying that when it comes to race relations and law enforcement "Everybody is a little racist"

THE DIRECTOR OF THE FBI IS ADMITTING HE IS A LITTLE RACIST

I don't know how to break this down any further for you but don't ever come out of your mouth about racism again.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

A 30 something year old white guy saying "I can assure you, I've met hundreds of people from X and BELIEVE ME, they're not racist at all. I didn't get any racist vibes from them at all

Why don't you open a fukking book you moron. Short of that go to google or wikipedia and google the RECENT HISTORY of the FBI

This racist cac is gonna quote me with some Trump smiley and talk about how I'm either mad or bytch made, but he will avoid the facts. The FBI is notoriously racist and the most racist part of the entire Federal Government BAR NONE.

Hard Truths: Law Enforcement and Race — FBI

This is James Comey, FBI director, saying that when it comes to race relations and law enforcement "Everybody is a little racist"

THE DIRECTOR OF THE FBI IS ADMITTING HE IS A LITTLE RACIST

I don't know how to break this down any further for you but don't ever come out of your mouth about racism again.

And he tried to tell me I was lying when I shared my experience of a couple of people I know in law enforcement who were warned about racism in the FBI when they were curious about applying, and completely dismissed the possibility of there being any racism in the FBI because he went golfing with some of them or whatever.

 

[Broke Wave]

And he tried to tell me I was lying when I shared my experience of a couple of people I know in law enforcement who were warned about racism in the FBI when they were curious about applying, and completely dismissed the possibility of there being any racism in the FBI because he went golfing with some of them or whatever.

The fact that the FBI is like 85% white and 75% white men or something like that is one of the reasons why they can barely keep Americans safe from Terrorism etc. When was the last time these morons stopped an attack? When was the last time they unfoiled a plot? The fukking San Bernadino shooters were planning the shyt on FACEBOOK

All they do is pick up the low hanging fruit and parade it as a win.

 

[yseJ]

Fact: organization x is y threshold white male.

Fact: White males support Trump over Clinton by about 25% in most polls.

Based on that data, we know most people in organization x are pro-Trump.

is this a fair conclusion of your logic ? I replaced FBI with x and 83% with a y threshold, and omitted the historical law enforcement argument.

And this isn't just "an institution" we're talking about. This is the highest level of federal law enforcement with the power to investigate and indict government officials.

there are many institutions that can potentially and do actually investigate government officials. IRS can. DFA can. Hell even Secret Service can in right circumstances. am I correct to assume that if these and other organizations are over certain threshold white male, they are pro-trump AND reasonably will try to influence the election given the opportunity ?

if so, then why is it news that a white-male dominated agency will be 'trumplandia' or 'republicanlandia' or whatever you want to call it ? I believe that was a purpose of this thread ? might as well have a list of federal agencies that are majority white and male, and declare all of them pro-trump.

And please stick to football.

its not fun arguing with you about football, because I pretty much always end up right in those debates against you I was just pointing out this thread has you look as bad as nap who has some heavy form of schizophrenia.

oh and for the record Id rather vote for HRC than trump (before the circlejerk hillary stans call me an altright )

 

[hashmander]

the nyc office is just mad that loretta lynch took the eric garner investigation away from these racist fbi agents who were trying to squash the investigation to protect their pig buddies.

 

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is this a fair conclusion of your logic ? I replaced FBI with x and 83% with a y threshold, and omitted the historical law enforcement argument.


there are many institutions that can potentially and do actually investigate government officials. IRS can. DFA can. Hell even Secret Service can in right circumstances. am I correct to assume that if these and other organizations are over certain threshold white male, they are pro-trump AND reasonably will try to influence the election given the opportunity ?

if so, then why is it news that a white-male dominated agency will be 'trumplandia' or 'republicanlandia' or whatever you want to call it ? I believe that was a purpose of this thread ? might as well have a list of federal agencies that are majority white and male, and declare all of them pro-trump.


its not fun arguing with you about football, because I pretty much always end up right in those debates against you I was just pointing out this thread has you look as bad as nap who has some heavy form of schizophrenia.

oh and for the record Id rather vote for HRC than trump (before the circlejerk hillary stans call me an altright )

well said







that she devil is way worse than Trump

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

is this a fair conclusion of your logic ? I replaced FBI with x and 83% with a y threshold, and omitted the historical law enforcement argument.

My logic is talking specifically about the FBI. The FBI is a largely white male conservative institution and most of the people who comprise it are supporting Trump. This isn't debatable and is verified by history, demographical statistics, and the words of actual agents who go on record. You're not making any sense.

there are many institutions that can potentially and do actually investigate government officials. IRS can. DFA can. Hell even Secret Service can in right circumstances. am I correct to assume that if these and other organizations are over certain threshold white male, they are pro-trump AND reasonably will try to influence the election given the opportunity ?

This is why I told you to stick to football. She's not under investigation by the IRS or whoever. She's under investigation by the FBI for shyt she did herself. Why do you keep asking yourself hypothetical questions that have nothing to do with the topic?

if so, then why is it news that a white-male dominated agency will be 'trumplandia' or 'republicanlandia' or whatever you want to call it ? I believe that was a purpose of this thread ? might as well have a list of federal agencies that are majority white and male, and declare all of them pro-trump.

Are you drunk? I didn't call it "Trumplandia," an actual FBI agent did. Did you not even read the article in the OP?

The purpose of this thread was sharing reporting about what actual FBI agents are saying about their own institution.

its not fun arguing with you about football, because I pretty much always end up right in those debates against you I was just pointing out this thread has you look as bad as nap who has some heavy form of schizophrenia.

oh and for the record Id rather vote for HRC than trump (before the circlejerk hillary stans call me an altright )

You know football fairly well, but your IQ seems to drop by about 30 points whenever you venture into a serious topic like this. You are trying to take me to task for claiming that 1. the FBI is mostly pro-Trump, and 2. there is a rogue element trying to swing the election for him with leaks and pressure with these ridiculous hypothetical non-sequiturs you keep dreaming up. But you fail to realize that I'm only repeating things that FBI agents are saying themselves to the press.

FBI Director James Comey Feared Leaks In Deciding To Disclose New Emails Linked To Clinton | Huffington Post

Agent: FBI is ‘Trumplandia’

Rudy Giuliani is now openly boasting that the Trump campaign got advance notice of James Comey’s letter

Pro-Trump former FBI official says he's channeling agents' rage

College football's on tomorrow bruh. Log off. Take a breather.

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

The best way to get an enemy off your back is to appease them

you and your every reply is both naive and amateurish.

 

[yseJ]

My logic is talking specifically about the FBI. The FBI is a largely white male conservative institution and most of the people who comprise it are supporting Trump. This isn't debatable and is verified by history, demographical statistics, and the words of actual agents who go on record. You're not making any sense.

youre talking about 'specifically' FBI but you're using generalized logic. now I took your own logic and applied it to any other agencies, and now you say Im not making sense

you seem to not understand logic, ie logic that is taught in math classes and philosopy classes.

again, you went ahead and said #1)The FBI is 83% white male. #2) White males support Trump over Clinton by about 25% in most polls and 3) Law enforcement people skew more conservative in their political leanings.i

and then concluded from these things that FBI is pro-trump

I went and used your own damn logic to take any other organization, apply the same #1 and #2 and suddenly you disagree with me. so if your generalized logic can apply only to a specific case, what does say about the quality of your own damn logic beside you having double standards and clear agenda?

This is why I told you to stick to football.

you told me to stick to football because of your sheer arrogance and confidence.

She's not under investigation by the IRS or whoever.

She's under investigation by the FBI for shyt she did herself. Why do you keep asking yourself hypothetical questions that have nothing to do with the topic?

Im not asking myself that, Im asking you that. according to your logic, the answer should be a resounding 'yes'; and if it's no, then your logic is incorrect and cannot be used to justify a specific example.
there are many agencies out there that can investigate a government official, it was a simple yes or no question too. Im probing how consistent you are.

thats why I compared you to that schizo nap, because he usually applies double standards when it comes to russia issues and refuses to apply same logic to both sides of the debate. for him tho its 'us vs them' mentality so he cant ever stay objective.

I didn't call it "Trumplandia," an actual FBI agent did. The purpose of this thread was sharing reporting about what actual FBI agents are saying about their own institution.

thats fine, but again- according to your own logic, any white male majority government institution with power to indict goverment is trumplandia.

You know football fairly well, but your IQ seems to drop by about 30 points whenever you venture into a serious topic like this.

football IS a serious topic like Ive said, sheer arrogance and confidence again. but what utlimately dooms you in football, as well as in basketball debates and most likely on here, is your inability to stay objective enough.

You are trying to take me to task for claiming th

Im only questioning your damn logic when making an argument. if your logic is consistent, then you would also say that any white male majority institution that has power to indict government is also easily pro-trump. but you are hesitant to do that. which brings me to the point of pointing out your logic is then useless because its specifically designed for this special case. funny enough, I dont have anything against that logic, I just feel that you dont really believe in that- and looks like Im right. in your case, you created a case of general logic that only for some reason applies to, as you say, a 'specific case'. ie, double standard.

College football's on tomorrow bruh. Log off. Take a breather.

condescending bullshyt that has as you said 'nothign to do with the topic' again. answer the yes or no question already.