The Fermi Paradox: Reasons why we havent been visited by Aliens

[Juggalo Fred]

I love this thread, genius shyt


I tend to subscribe to the idea that there are a few super predators but they would rather use us as allies for their side than destroy us

Hence technology getting so much better since Roswell went down


I don't subscribe into the virtual reality shyt although the thought sounds nice


The idea of there being no life out there at all besides Earth is so completely self centered and arrogant I can't even entertain it for more than a second

 

[Captain]

Either they are here or they don't exist.

Maybe we are they, trying to connect with us

 

[Starman]

The more I think about it, the more I think intelligent life is much rarer than we've been lead to believe. Then there's the possibility of coming of age at the wrong time. And of course the vastness of the galaxy... I'm never gonna meet space brehs.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

Hence technology getting so much better since Roswell went down

I THINK IT'S MORE LIKELY THAT TECHNOLOGY ADVANCED SO RAPIDLY IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE TWENTIETH CENTURY BECAUSE OF TWO MASSIVE WARS BACK TO BACK, BROTHER! NECESSITY IS THE MOM DUKES OF INVENTION, DUDE!

 

[tmonster]

I was always of the opinion that the universe is just too big and everybody is just too far away from each other and we don't live long enough.

we can live forever on a cd
we don't need to travel to far away lands
just our dna sequence and assembly instructions
and all that is just information
combine that with the hopes of FTL from entanglement wet dreams and maybe one day...

 

[mc_brew]

i know, right....? .... the thing is, the universe is very logical and uncaring... in order to harness the power from and control the entire sun would require enormous focus and understanding of logic... humans are far too emotional... we get hung up over trivial things like someone rolled their eyes at us or said hello the wrong way.. we let our egos and emotions cloud everything we do.... we're also very shortsighted and are mostly concerned about what happens during our lifetime... controlling the sun would require many multiple of generations to attain that level of intelligence... i simply think we go stir crazy first before we attain that level of intelligence... it's just my theory though....

 

[Poitier]

the universe is very logical

 

[Brown_Pride]

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It does adhere to rules (for the most part). Maybe logical isn't the right word because it might imply to some "intelligence" but let's not act like it's 100% hap hazard out there. shyt happens as a result of other shyt happening, in that sense it's predictable and logical i'd argue.

 

[Poitier]

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It does adhere to rules (for the most part).

There is no unified theory of the universe.

 

[Brown_Pride]

There is no unified theory of the universe.

hence for the most part. We do understand SOME things and those things appear to be based on predictable rules. Granted when things get really big and really small shyt starts to get weird, but for the things we can see we do understand.

 

[Poitier]

hence for the most part. We do understand SOME things and those things appear to be based on predictable rules. Granted when things get really big and really small shyt starts to get weird, but for the things we can see we do understand.

No doubt but I do think the rules will always break down at the micro and macro or create newer questions. There is no "answers."

 

[Brown_Pride]

No doubt but I do think the rules will always break down at the micro and macro or create newer questions. There is no "answers."

You think? I hope we can ultimately figure that shyt out, even if the answer is, "shyt is just random at a certain point".

 

[BaggerofTea]

Universe is vast with a small number of planets in a habitable zone of a star

Even lesser probability that life even started on them


But this Universe is huge, potentially over a billion solar systems in the Milky Way Galaxy alone

 

[mc_brew]

well if the universe isn't logical and very random then that makes things that much harder to comprehend... basically, i'm saying we're too shortsighted and concerned about things way too petty to be able to completely control the sun... i think humans lose their minds before they attain that level of intelligence.... [/rubio impression]

 

[rapbeats]

You think? I hope we can ultimately figure that shyt out, even if the answer is, "shyt is just random at a certain point".

you do realize saying "well i guess ish is just random" is no different then "God of the gaps"

in the gaps you place "ish is just random ya know.." in the gaps believers will place "God did it."

my biblical space view is that obviously a creator created it all. (dont care who created the creator. it will take me millions of years to the millionth power for me to ask him how he made earth, let alone my solar system and all its inner workings. by the time i get finished with the universe, i wont even care who or what made him if anything did.

so now back to my view:

I believe nothing is random. all things are made/created for a reason/purpose. i believe we will figure out a lot (well a lot to human minds). but not much at all vs whats really out there to know. but we wont stop trying and we wont stop learning until we're gone for good.

So when randomness seems like the answer. the true answer is, "i dont know why this thing acts/reacts this way" its not really random. its just that I dont know why it is what it is or how it is. truth is, the idea of random isnt random. people use random numbers in calculations for what? a purpose. not for random sake.
if you think i'm just making something up see below

I was trying to solve a hobby problem that required generating a million random numbers. But I quickly realized, it is becoming difficult to make them unique. I picked up Algorithm Design Manual to read about random number generation.

It has the following paragraph that I am fully not able to understand.

Unfortunately, generating random numbers looks a lot easier than it really is. Indeed, it is fundamentally impossible to produce truly random numbers on any deterministic device. Von Neumann [Neu63] said it best: “Anyone who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin.” The best we can hope for are pseudo-random numbers, a stream of numbers that appear as if they were generated randomly.

One should look for a cryptographically secure pseudo-random number generator. Most PRNG are linear congruence generators (so next number is a linear function of previous number), so if you plot next number vs previous number you'll get a chart of parallel lines. A CSPRNG will not do that. The trade-off is that they're slow.

I group random number generators into 3 categories:

1. Good enough for homework.
2. Good enough to bet your company on.
3. Good enough to bet your country on.

Why is it impossible to produce truly random numbers in any deterministic device ?

A deterministic device will always produce the same output when given the same starting conditions and inputs - that is what it means to be deterministic. "Truly random number" is more of a philosophical viewpoint, as what does it mean to be random is the crux of the philosophical navel gazing (folks aren't even certain if atomic decay is random or follows some pattern we just can't figure out yet). A cryptographically secure random number generator is going to take some external source of entropy to make the device non-deterministic.

Now there is another theory of randomness that involves God/Creator. Lets say the creator was so intelligent, that he and only he could truly produce randomness. all due to the fact that he himself is infinite(I AM... meaning he always was and always will be). To be truly infinite is having the capability to produce true randomness. back to the random numbers. you cant produce random numbers because you cant keep pushing numbers out. the numbers go as far as your ram/memory will hold them. but if someone is truly infinite, he could create randomness. and lets say he chose to in certain instances. he would've still done ie for a purpose(reason).