"The Gillie Effect" - First Wayne, the Kanye, now Drake.

[Flychologist]

I thought so.
He need that dude back on his team

Rhymefest went out there to work on the album. He wasn't a yes man and kanye sent him home so we ended up with lines about bleached a$$holes and bleach on t-shirts

 

[H. Selassie]

OP has a good point. Once an artist gets exposed, it starts to become obvious which of their works were not their own creation. Makes you rethink their entire artistic identity.

I can't even listen to Graduation nowadays without hearing those verses in Big Sean's voice (i.e. 1st verse of Good Morning, 3rd verse of Good Life.)

 

[Patrick Kane]

OP has a good point. Once an artist gets exposed, it starts to become obvious which of their works were not their own creation. Makes you rethink their entire artistic identity.

I can't even listen to Graduation nowadays without hearing those verses in Big Sean's voice (i.e. 1st verse of Good Morning, 3rd verse of Good Life.)

Yeah, Graduation is the most obvious one, especially these songs. That "You got Ds muthafukkah, D's, Rosie Perez" was so clearly a Big Sean line, during that SuperDuper flow era.

I've never considered Kanye to be one of the greatest "rappers" due to this, he doesn't write his raps but he does have the vision, concepts, the voice and delivery to make REALLY good songs. As an overall hip hop artist, we can;t discredit him too much cause the nikka can actually rap and he's produced some of the best shyt we've ever heard in hip hop. Same goes for Dre. Drake, ehh, not so much. He's always championed his "pen game" and always bragged about being one of the best spitters, that of course goes out the window the more we hear about writing tents, reference tracks and this nikka strong-arming artist out of their own songs.

 

[H. Selassie]

Yeah, Graduation is the most obvious one, especially these songs. That "You got Ds muthafukkah, D's, Rosie Perez" was so clearly a Big Sean line, during that SuperDuper flow era.

"Activated....back to Vegas" on Good Life has Big Sean written all over it. Even the way he delivered the line.

I agree with you on guys like Kanye and Dre though. Because they are producers, their musical ability and vision is much more explicit. Even if they don't write lyrics, we know they are capable of actually creating music.

With let's say...Drake or other emcees who are primarily vocalist it's a much more damning indictment. If you take away their ghostwriters and producers and leave them in a music studio by themselves, nothing will be created.

This is why I have so much respect for artists like DJ Quik and Big KRIT. It takes so much creativity to consistently produce ALL of your own shyt and write ALL of your own shyt at a high quality level.

 

[JustCKing]

Kanye is a producer B.

He gets the same pass as Puff Daddy and Dr. Dre. We look to them to "put together" (produce) records not actually "compose" (neither write songs or play music) them.

There are producers in every genre, but only in hip-hop do they have solo albums as the lead artist.

The artistic part of music is very draining that is why so few artists have classics without a producer like, Ye, Dre or Diddy behind them. Someone to vision the bigger picture and make it come to life.

All 3 have the most classics in hip-hop under their belts collectively and individually.

Kanye is a rapper. There's a huge difference between Kanye, Puff, and Dre. The key difference is you don't have Puff and Dre doing joint albums with respected lyricists like Jay Z and calling it Watch The Throne. You don't have The Source putting Dre and Puff among the greatest lyricists of all time. Neither Dre or Puff are saying they are trying to match Illmatic lyric for lyric.

It doesn't matter whether Kanye produced Thriller, he put himself out there as a rappper. Therefore, if no passes are given for having writers, Kanye shouldn't be exempt especially when you have rappers laying claim to being greats (as many say this is the main gripe with Drake).

 

[JustCKing]

Yeah, Graduation is the most obvious one, especially these songs. That "You got Ds muthafukkah, D's, Rosie Perez" was so clearly a Big Sean line, during that SuperDuper flow era.

I've never considered Kanye to be one of the greatest "rappers" due to this, he doesn't write his raps but he does have the vision, concepts, the voice and delivery to make REALLY good songs. As an overall hip hop artist, we can;t discredit him too much cause the nikka can actually rap and he's produced some of the best shyt we've ever heard in hip hop. Same goes for Dre. Drake, ehh, not so much. He's always championed his "pen game" and always bragged about being one of the best spitters, that of course goes out the window the more we hear about writing tents, reference tracks and this nikka strong-arming artist out of their own songs.

Kanye is no Dre. His voice and delivery are the worst part of his rapping ability. Kanye's championed his pen game as well and has even done a joint album with Jay. He wasn't just behind the boards, he was rapping with Jay on every song and the name of the group was Watch The Throne.

 

[hu3ypdadon]

Great post

 

[H. Selassie]

@JustCKing does have a point.

A part of Kanye's whole mantra during the College Dropout era was that he wasn't just a producer but also a good rapper.

 

[Art Barr]

Yeah, Graduation is the most obvious one, especially these songs. That "You got Ds muthafukkah, D's, Rosie Perez" was so clearly a Big Sean line, during that SuperDuper flow era.

I've never considered Kanye to be one of the greatest "rappers" due to this, he doesn't write his raps but he does have the vision, concepts, the voice and delivery to make REALLY good songs. As an overall hip hop artist, we can;t discredit him too much cause the nikka can actually rap and he's produced some of the best shyt we've ever heard in hip hop. Same goes for Dre. Drake, ehh, not so much. He's always championed his "pen game" and always bragged about being one of the best spitters, that of course goes out the window the more we hear about writing tents, reference tracks and this nikka strong-arming artist out of their own songs.

Kanye west does not have a good voice or delivery, or tonal aptitude, tho.
Plus we know he does not rap well at all.
He is not an emcee he is what if puff was an emo artist.

Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

00000000000000000000000000000022

"Activated....back to Vegas" on Good Life has Big Sean written all over it. Even the way he delivered the line.

I agree with you on guys like Kanye and Dre though. Because they are producers, their musical ability and vision is much more explicit. Even if they don't write lyrics, we know they are capable of actually creating music.

With let's say...Drake or other emcees who are primarily vocalist it's a much more damning indictment. If you take away their ghostwriters and producers and leave them in a music studio by themselves, nothing will be created.

This is why I have so much respect for artists like DJ Quik and Big KRIT. It takes so much creativity to consistently produce ALL of your own shyt and write ALL of your own shyt at a high quality level.

Krit is just cut and paste of Andre 3ooo and is just a biter tho.
DJ quik was never great at all as an actual rapper.
Nor was I ever into his actual work of any kind at all.
As he and his crew perpetrated why we are here today discussing it and I just don't understand how culturally people don't hold these artist accountable for their bullshyt.
Is it because the fan wanna pull the same coup.
or just don't know the culture, themselves.


Art Barr

 

[H. Selassie]

00000000000000000000000000000022


Krit is just cut and paste of Andre 3ooo and is just a biter tho.
DJ quik was never great at all as an actual rapper.
Nor was I ever into his actual work of any kind at all.
As he and his crew perpetrated why we are here today discussing it and I just don't understand how culturally people don't hold these artist accountable for their bullshyt.
Is it because the fan wanna pull the same coup.
or just don't know the culture, themselves.


Art Barr

A whole lot of fallacy in this post but I won't derail the overall discussion by dissecting it.

Carry on.

 

[Art Barr]

Kanye is a producer B.

He gets the same pass as Puff Daddy and Dr. Dre. We look to them to "put together" (produce) records not actually "compose" (neither write songs or play music) them.

There are producers in every genre, but only in hip-hop do they have solo albums as the lead artist.

The artistic part of music is very draining that is why so few artists have classics without a producer like, Ye, Dre or Diddy behind them. Someone to vision the bigger picture and make it come to life.

All 3 have the most classics in hip-hop under their belts collectively and individually.

Krs has more classics than all of them combined..especially if we start adding fringe work or actually hold nikkaz accountable for real culturally.
As a lot of albums people call classics in their discogs.
especially Kanye and puff are questionable.
As puff and ye never made a classic.
Plus before Eminem revived dre culturally.
Dre had two classics.
Which one is based on sheer prison industrial method marketing to get over the hump.
So this is not true at all,....krs has the most classics, collectively than this group and individually over this group.

If I say a Kanye album is a classic then Doug infinite had a classic, breh.
When dug infinite never made a classic.
If Kanye has a classic then guys need to honor danja mowf's classic which predates ye by five years.
If ye has classics all of slug's records that created the genre ye got to bastsrdize as the emo puff.
all of atmosphere'a albums are classic.
Alot of the rhetoric of what a classic is was bent for this group erroneously and it was more prison industrial complex marketing.
It was never a classic album that was made.
As it violates culturally what the actual culture of hiphop was about.
Especially if we bring the elephant in the room.
that was the prison industrial complex using rap as a marketing ploy for its bullshyt from 93-2oo5 as a legit thing.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

00000000000000000000000000000022

A whole lot of fallacy in this post but I won't derail the overall discussion by dissecting it.

Carry on.

Dissect it, and stop pump faking.
Quik and his crew created the whole why Uzi vert can say he don't wanna rap on a beat and not gonna freestyle.
They created the over top wack gangsta rapper as a solo and group act.
They create the offkey, wack gangsta rapper as quik as a vocal all behind prison industrial complex marketing.
As a matter of fact they are the first west coast group who violated everything, period.
Krit is just what if Andre 3ooo gave you what you want.
You know it and that is why you ain't pointed out a damn thing.
Just a pump fake to get your weak shyt pack'd nikka.

Stop fukk'n playing,....
We in a thread about nikkaz finally realizing who faking jax.
Yet, you trying to pump fake for two nikkaz who fakin jax.

Stop it.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Also glad to see someone else realized and decided to snatch all of weezy's cred like I said to do years ago.
After I wrote all his cred and blogs copied the shyt till the truth was exposed.
Then, once the truth was exposed and I posted on snatching his cred his ship has faltered.


Art Barr

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

Kanye used to be able to rap off the head pretty well...He has proven ability and proof of him "actually rapping" in the past.
Drake has no evidence of "actual rapping" at an open mic, in a cypher, on a college radio show (without aid of blackberry), or in a record store.
He battled Common on the radio, was actually freestyling.
As far as now? I don't know. hella people write that bullshyt and it's not hip hop.