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"Why does Vince only give *insert jacked up prototype of a wrestler* a chance to be world champ, while *insert small Indy/ internet darling* is getting buried?"

Two things. One: it's nothing personal, just business. Two: It's not just about the physique, it's more charisma than anything. Vince always has been looking for people that can sell to the general public, as well as gain media attention outside of the wrestling world. Look at the 80s with such eclectic personalities such as Hulk Hogan, Warrior, and Randy Savage, Iron Sheik, etc. their physiques were great, but their personalities made them marketable.

Even in the 90s, the best wrestlers that were pushed to the moon all had the ability to transcend the ring. Rock is now the highest paid actor in Hollywood, stone cold is in movies, had tv shows, commercials, and even made bald heads and jean shorts with a goatee look cool. Mankind was winning the race for times person of the year award until they DQd him.

The 00-10s have been more of the same. Stars like Jericho, HHH, Cena, rock, punk, and Daniel Bryan (who are both Internet darlings) etc. had the ability to talk or market themselves outside of the ring, which made them get pushed even more. The new problem that the WWE faces is that they can't produce a star, and now they're trying to force it and pray they strike gold now that their last batch of stars are all retiring or slowing down.

In the end, size has nothing to do with the reasons wrestlers don't get over, it's their charisma (or lack thereof). Most smarks forget that the WWE isn't like their run of the mill Indy fed. Its more business than sport, where the most marketable characters, not most jacked, get over.
 

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"Why does Vince refuse to give up on Roman Reigns/Lex Luger before him/think Tom Magee was the next Hoegan?"

Because he's a massive fakkit with severe homoerotic tendencies. He's basically the only billionaire who lives out his :dame: fantasies with his business :mjlol:
 

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It was over, and a timeless persona. However it is one of the most inflexible successful personas ever. What was required for his personas presentation disallowed any type of dynamic element, which means no growth.
I disagree. Good topic tho

The same could've been said of John Cena. But good or bad , they shaped him into a sustainable character.

Could Perfect have carried the company like Hogan, no. But he could have had the strap for a decent run
 

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Why did Warrior fail in WCW?

To me, appeal in wrestling varies wildly from fan to fan.

For me, I didn't care about Warrior in WCW, or Hogan or Savage or any of the other wwf defects. Just bc I liked them in WWF didn't mean I was gonna automatically care about them WCW. And I didn't.

But on the flip side, many fans did. And that was WCWs plan....just get them on our show.

Other than the Outsiders, I felt like all those guys were past their primes and WCW was just trying latch on to their wwf pasts.

Same reason to me Bret Hart never "fit" in WCW. But other fans see no problem with his WCW career.
 

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To me, appeal in wrestling varies wildly from fan to fan.

For me, I didn't care about Warrior in WCW, or Hogan or Savage or any of the other wwf defects. Just bc I liked them in WWF didn't mean I was gonna automatically care about them WCW. And I didn't.

But on the flip side, many fans did. And that was WCWs plan....just get them on our show.

Other than the Outsiders, I felt like all those guys were past their primes and WCW was just trying latch on to their wwf pasts.

Same reason to me Bret Hart never "fit" in WCW. But other fans see no problem with his WCW career.

I fully agree. To be in WCW and make it you had to be a "WCW guy" and Bret and Warrior def didn't fit.

Just like Bulldog. Went from being a strong jobber to the stars/super mid carder to no doing shyt in WCW even when they were weak AF.
 

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Bro this was late 98, Sting was in the Wolfpac at this point. He had already been out of the rafters for a minute and was cutting promos and shyt.

You didn't need to do anything special for Warrior other than let him be the hero who comes out at the end and wrecks the NWO. That's all ppl would want to see from him. That 20 minute promo they had him cut the night he debuted killed it

Definitely that promo killed him. Why is Hogan just standing a few feet from him for 10 minutes without running away, and why isn't Warrior attacking him? It just wasn't the Ultimate Warrior character.

Physically I know he got injured, but on just a physical, what they did in the ring level, their rematch was really no worse than the Wrestlemania 6 match.

He wouldn't have more than a year run, but Sting vs Warrior and Warrior vs Goldberg could've been big PPVs.
 
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