The Gun Control Farce

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The Gun Control Farce
By Thomas Sowell
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Surely murder is a serious subject, which ought to be examined seriously. Instead, it is almost always examined politically in the context of gun control controversies, with stock arguments on both sides that have remained the same for decades. And most of those arguments are irrelevant to the central question: Do tighter gun control laws reduce the murder rate?

That is not an esoteric question, nor one for which no empirical evidence is available. Think about it. We have 50 states, each with its own gun control laws, and many of those laws have gotten either tighter or looser over the years. There must be tons of data that could indicate whether murder rates went up or down when either of these things happened.

But have you ever heard any gun control advocate cite any such data? Tragically, gun control has become one of those fact-free issues that spawn outbursts of emotional rhetoric and mutual recriminations about the National Rifle Association or the Second Amendment.

If restrictions on gun ownership do reduce murders, we can repeal the Second Amendment, as other Constitutional Amendments have been repealed. Laws exist to protect people. People do not exist to perpetuate laws.

But if tighter restrictions on gun ownership do not reduce murders, what is the point of tighter gun control laws — and what is the point of demonizing the National Rifle Association?

There are data not only from our 50 states but also from other countries around the world. Professor Joyce Lee Malcolm's empirical study, "Guns and Violence: The English Experience," should be eye-opening for all those who want their eyes opened, however small that number of people might be.

Professor Malcolm's book also illustrates the difference between isolated, cherry-picked facts and relevant empirical evidence.

Many gun control advocates have cited the much higher murder rates in the United States than in England as due to tighter gun control laws in England. But Professor Malcolm's study points out that the murder rate in New York has been some multiple of the murder rate in London for two centuries — and, during most of that time, neither city had serious restrictions on gun ownership.

As late as 1954, "there were no controls on shotguns" in England, Professor Malcolm reported, but only 12 cases of armed robbery in London. Of these only 4 had real guns. But in the remainder of the 20th century, gun control laws became ever more severe — and armed robberies in London soared to 1,400 by 1974.

"As the numbers of legal firearms have dwindled, the numbers of armed crimes have risen" is her summary of that history in England. Conversely, in the United States the number of handguns in American homes more than doubled between 1973 and 1992, while the murder rate went down.

There are relevant facts available, but you are not likely to hear about them from politicians currently pushing for tighter gun control laws, or from the mainstream media, when those facts go against the claims of gun control advocates.

Virtually all empirical studies in the United States show that tightening gun control laws has not reduced crime rates in general or murder rates in particular. Is this because only people opposed to gun control do empirical studies? Or is it because the facts uncovered in empirical studies make the arguments of gun control zealots untenable?

In both England and the United States, those people most zealous for tighter gun control laws tend also to be most lenient toward criminals and most restrictive on police. The net result is that law-abiding citizens become more vulnerable when they are disarmed and criminals disobey gun control laws, as they disobey other laws.

The facts are too plain to be ignored. Moreover, the consequences are too dangerous to law-abiding citizens, whose lives are put in jeopardy on the basis of fact-free assumptions and unexamined dogmas. Such arguments are a farce, but not the least bit funny.
 

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If restrictions on gun ownership do reduce murders, we can repeal the Second Amendment, as other Constitutional Amendments have been repealed. Laws exist to protect people. People do not exist to perpetuate laws.

But if tighter restrictions on gun ownership do not reduce murders, what is the point of tighter gun control laws — and what is the point of demonizing the National Rifle Association?
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Virtually all empirical studies in the United States show that tightening gun control laws has not reduced crime rates in general or murder rates in particular. Is this because only people opposed to gun control do empirical studies? Or is it because the facts uncovered in empirical studies make the arguments of gun control zealots untenable?
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I wonder if these conservatives are going to be all pro-2nd Amendment after what happened in Dallas. That was the 2nd Amendment at work.

You have police (government employees) executing people without due process. Now you have civilians upset with their rights being trampled on and taking action against the government. That's what the 2nd Amendment is technically for. Not hunting, not self defense.

Remember one thing: the bullet is the ultimate equalizer. I've been on both sides of the barrel in war and I know from experience.

Some of you will read what I wrote above and you will think I condone what happened in Dallas. I don't. Neither do I condone blatantly executing people without due process by the government. I'm just not surprised at these outcomes. And now we will enter a perpetual cycle of violence.

The people who wrote the Constitution, for all their faults, were right in regards to the 2nd Amendment. It's not a matter of gun culture, it's a matter of political philosophy. When grievances and protests are unheard, retributory violence, or the implied threat of it, are the only outcomes unfortunately. We have seen it time and time again, all over the world.
 
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I wonder if these conservatives are going to be all pro-2nd Amendment after what happened in Dallas. That was the 2nd Amendment at work.

You have police (government employees) executing people without due process. Now you have civilians upset with their rights being trampled on and taking action against the government.
Dallas is NOT self defense though..its a mentally unstable idiot murdering people...

Now if that sniper was waiting for suspicious traffic stops of Black men then shot a cop who had his gun out THAT arguably would be closer to self defense...




That's what the 2nd Amendment is technically for. Not hunting, not self defense.

Remember one thing: the bullet is the ultimate equalizer. I've been on both sides of the barrel in war and I know from experience.

Some of you will read what I wrote above and you will think I condone what happened in Dallas. I don't. Neither do I condone blatantly executing people without due process by the government. I'm just not surprised at these outcomes. And now we will enter a perpetual cycle of violence.

The people who wrote the Constitution, for all their faults, were right in regards to the 2nd Amendment. It's not a matter of gun culture, it's a matter of political philosophy. When grievances and protests are unheard, retributory violence, or the implied threat of it, are the only outcomes unfortunately. We have seen it time and time again, all over the world.
This i mostly agree with though its likely at the time the 2nd amendment was crafted personal safety was a bigger consideration given the threat of raids from Bandits or Resentful Natives,fear of slave uprisings,Cross border banditry than the thought of overthrowing tyranny.
 

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Does a state's individual gun laws really matter, when straw buyers and illegal weapons are so seemingly prevalent?
 

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I wonder if these conservatives are going to be all pro-2nd Amendment after what happened in Dallas. That was the 2nd Amendment at work.
i'll give it to the hardcore 2nd amenders

they aren't going to change their stance
they didn't change it after a school of 8yr olds was shot up, they won't change now
 
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