The Gun Control Farce

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Thomas Sowell said:
That is not an esoteric question, nor one for which no empirical evidence is available. Think about it. We have 50 states, each with its own gun control laws, and many of those laws have gotten either tighter or looser over the years. There must be tons of data that could indicate whether murder rates went up or down when either of these things happened.

But have you ever heard any gun control advocate cite any such data? Tragically, gun control has become one of those fact-free issues that spawn outbursts of emotional rhetoric and mutual recriminations about the National Rifle Association or the Second Amendment.

Thomas "I haven't seen the evidence" sowell.

Why is that his answer to everything? It's not like the information isn't out there. Go find it then tell me what your deductions led you to.

No shyt - there IS such evidence, and gun-control advocates cite it all the time, and Sowell knows this. :mjlol:

His entire essay is based on the assumption that his readers are too dumb to know he's lying or even try to check him on the facts. :picard:

A huge international study of gun control finds strong evidence that it actually works

"So what do Santaella-Tenorio et al. conclude? First, and most importantly, that gun violence declined after countries pass a raft of gun laws at the same time: 'The simultaneous implementation of laws targeting multiple firearms restrictions is associated with reductions in firearm deaths,' the study finds.

Reductions in nonfirearm homicides were also observed," Santaella-Tenorio et al. note, "although not as pronounced as the ones observed for firearm homicides."

"Laws restricting the purchase of (e.g., background checks) and access to (e.g., safer storage) firearms," they write, "are also associated with lower rates of intimate partner homicides and firearm unintentional deaths in children, respectively."


The research is clear: gun control saves lives

Where there are more guns there is more homicide

Firearm Legislation and Firearm-Related Fatalities in the United States

Rates of Household Firearm Ownership and Homicide Across US States

Examining the relationship between the prevalence of guns and homicide rates in the USA using a new and improved state-level gun ownership proxy

State-level homicide victimization rates in the US in relation to survey measures of household firearm ownership, 2001–2003 - ScienceDirect

A longitudinal ecological study of household firearm ownership and firearm-related deaths in the United States from 1999 through 2014: A specific focus on gender, race, and geographic variables - ScienceDirect

The Relationship Between Gun Ownership and Firearm Homicide Rates in the United States, 1981–2010

The Relationship Between Gun Ownership and Stranger and Nonstranger Firearm Homicide Rates in the United States, 1981–2010

Firearm Availability and Homicide: A Review of the Literature
 

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If restrictions on gun ownership do reduce murders, we can repeal the Second Amendment, as other Constitutional Amendments have been repealed. Laws exist to protect people. People do not exist to perpetuate laws.

But if tighter restrictions on gun ownership do not reduce murders, what is the point of tighter gun control laws — and what is the point of demonizing the National Rifle Association?
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You know that argument is a total strawman right? :stopitslime:

Murders happen , it's human nature. What people want to be able to better stop is the MASS SLAUGHTER of innocent people because a psycho got a gun, when a legit background check would have stopped him/her. Murder rate fluctuation and the factors causing this is a non issue.

Now if you want to base a study on whether gun control laws would reduce mass shootings, I am all for it. It's actually a distinction with a difference. :ufdup:

The problem with the US is that they are too many guns already in circulation. The horse has already bolted. Getting laws in place will have little effect now. The NRA has won.

In both England and the United States, those people most zealous for tighter gun control laws tend also to be most lenient toward criminals and most restrictive on police.

Don't lump England in the debate. Police aren't restricted, and they actually respect the rights of civilians. This a$$hole of a writer is actually implying that police should have less restrictions? When so many black men get slaughtered innocently by cops in the US? :mjpls:

It's quite sad that someone like Thomas Sowell decided to go fact free here. He should be ashamed. Shame on those who bought into his sleight of hand as well. :mjpls:
 

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:patrice:I dont think there is really a "different" or contrarian angle in the gun debate, the country seems clearly divided on the issue.


:ehh:Unless you feel its automatically contrarian to oppose gun control, then im guilty as charged.
Im talking about here

Its like you pick differing viewpoints, not necessarily because you agree with them or have thought them through, but just to say "I'm not like yall"

Its clown shyt.

Not to mention, like every anti gun control advocate I've talked to (and I talk to a LOT on a regular basis) you have offered no insight on why the US has such a big gun violence problem, or what can be done to address it. Sometimes I get the feeling yall anti-gun control freaks LIKE when shyt like this happens, so you can say "SEE? SEE? THIS IS WHY WE NEED GUNS." Like I said, grade A clown shyt.
 
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