The Illmatic Rule (OH SHYT it's SirBiatch!)

[ZEB WALTON]

im just gon keep posting my personal favs that dont get love using ya way whether people agree or not

rza bobby digital

bobby 4.5/5
domestic violence 5/5
kiss of black widow 5/5
holocaust 4.5/5
nyc everything 4.5/5
my lovins digi 5/5
love jones 4.5/5
lab drunk 4/5
daily routine 5/5
handwirtings on the wall 4/5
unspoken word 4/5

thats 11. remove .5 - point per my stannery

 

[Chip Skylark]

I don't even know how I'd do that.

"This album is trash. Next."

"This album is trash. Next."

This isn't just some internet persona like my stalkers want to believe. I really believe 99% of the stuff that is so-called 'hip hop' over the last decade, especially when it comes to albums, are complete garbage. It gets boring yapping about why something's garbage on video.

But I appreciate the comment and I'll see what I can do.



GKMC has always been a weak album. Shyne gave well-thought out reasons (he hated the production off the bat, and I agree with him on that) and Interscope shut him down.



You still listen to Kush and OJ? Wouldn't someone attack you for saying GKMC has no replay value while liking Kush?

what are the 3 strongest songs on Kush?

Yea I still do. And I don't care what these people say. Half of them only go around saying so and so are the goat and this album is a classic because it's popular to do so.

It's so hard to choose 3 because the production is flawless and wiz who isnt the most lyrical made great songs with them but I'll try







Mann that cd is sooo good I want to go back and choose another 3 smh

 

[Xtz23]

im just gon keep posting my personal favs that dont get love using ya way whether people agree or not

rza bobby digital

bobby 4.5/5
domestic violence 5/5
kiss of black widow 5/5
holocaust 4.5/5
nyc everything 4.5/5
my lovins digi 5/5
love jones 4.5/5
lab drunk 4/5
daily routine 5/5
handwirtings on the wall 4/5
unspoken word 4/5

thats 11. remove .5 - point per my stannery

Always thought rzas solo albums were horrible that album had one great song NYC everything

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

im just gon keep posting my personal favs that dont get love using ya way whether people agree or not

rza bobby digital

bobby 4.5/5
domestic violence 5/5
kiss of black widow 5/5
holocaust 4.5/5
nyc everything 4.5/5
my lovins digi 5/5
love jones 4.5/5
lab drunk 4/5
daily routine 5/5
handwirtings on the wall 4/5
unspoken word 4/5

thats 11. remove .5 - point per my stannery

NYC Everything is a 7/5.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Always thought rzas solo albums were horrible that album had one great song NYC everything

check it back breh,those 9 songs are dope. theres 7 tracks of crap floatin on it tho

 

[CM_Burns]

You started out making sense but Buddy you lost me at Ghetto Millionaire having 5 standout tracks while LiveLoveASAP has like 13 or whatever.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

9 might be personal classic terriroty cuz i love all these albums for these songs

rza digital bullet

show u love 4.5/5
must be bobby 5/5
brooklyn babies 4.5/5
black widow 2 5/5
build strong 5/5
do you 4.5/5
sickness 4.5/5
righrteous way 4.5/5
glocko pop 4/5


the w

i cant goto sleep
careful
one blood under w
the jump off
hollow bones
chamber music
let my nikkas live
redbull
jah world
gravel pit

cannibal ox the cold vein

scream pheonix
the f world
stress rap
ridiculoid
straight off the dic
rasberry fields
cholesterol
iron galaxy
atom

ghost dog soundtrack (rzas most underrated work..)

stay with me
dont test / wu stallion
walking in the darkness
cakes
samurai showdown
strange eyes
4 sho sho
walk the dogs
the man

cnn the war report

t.o.n.y.
bloody money
illegal life
la la
parole violatiors
stick you
live on live long
half way thugs
thug paradise

lost boyz legal drug money... this may be teh closest to pure singles vs illmatic

the yearn
music makes me high
jeeps coups lex bimaz n benz
lifestyles of rich and shameless
renee
channel zero
all right
legal drug money
1,2,3
get up
is this da part
keep it real


capital punishment big pun (this could rival illmatic too easily)

glamour life
tres leches
deep cover
stll not a player
beware
you aint a killer
fast money
boomerang
you came up
dream shatterer
im not a player


gangstarr moment of truth

moment of truth
above of the clouds
the militia
robin hood theory
the mall
work
next time
royalty
jfk 2 lax
you know my steez

onyx all we got iz us

last dayz
all we got iz us
most def
2 wrongs
walk in new york
shout
purse snachaz
punkmuthafukkaz
live nikkaz

ice cube death certificate

my summer vacation
bird in the hand
no vaseline
alive on arrival
true to the game
steady mobbin
wrong nikka to fukk wit
black korea
us

diplomatic immunity

who i am
real nikkas
dipset anthem
this is what i do
i really mean it
the first
built this city
im ready
my love
purple haze

 

[SirBiatch]

You started out making sense but Buddy you lost me at Ghetto Millionaire having 5 standout tracks while LiveLoveASAP has like 13 or whatever.

OK. why is that? Because I can explain very simply Live.Love.ASAP has more standout tracks than Ghetto Millionaire. Before I do that, how did I lose you and why?

 

[Benefited]

I understand what you're saying and I kinda agree. After all, in real time, very few thought Reasonable Doubt was any kind of classic. I remember hearing it in 97 and thinking "meh, this is cool" then being surprised years later when people were referring to it as some kinda classic.

People rewrite history all the time but what really matters is the music. Over time, it gets harder to push a narrative if the music aint as potent as people pretend it is.




That's tinfoil "east coast supremacy" type shyt. I don't think it was that insidious.



like I said: i could give a fukk what someone outside the east coast thinks, especially if there's insecurity at play. The fact of the matter is that NY created this artform and are the best practitioners of the art hands down. It's not debatable. And Illmatic is the pinnacle of that practice, so it's gotta be in the rubric. It's not the only album that's part of the rubic but it's part of it nonetheless.



Since when?

You're telling me that if middle America, young and old, didn't bop along to Illmatic then it can't be a 'real' classic? Huh? You do realize that hip hop was anti-mainstream as hell for a long time and there's absolutely no way such an edgy artform was gonna pop with every demographic in its original spirit....

Breh, The Wire is a CLASSIC TV show. That shyt did like no numbers and didn't even get nominated for any awards. It certainly wasn't a hit with every demographic (and there's absolutely no way it was gonna be a hit with every demographic) but it's obviously one of the greatest shows ever created. Quality speaks for itself.



russell: I have more in common with the greatest rappers/producers of this artform than some random street wannabe from a city/tiny town far as fukk from NY without any of the attributes that make NY great (and hip hop by extension).
You should read up on my fraud rules

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-sirbiatch-guide-to-spotting-a-hip-hop-fraud-wow.470963/



nope





Dude, Illmatic is superior to Death Certificate. Stop forcing it. The beats are superior. The vocals are superior. The rhymes are superior. You know this already, but you're not cool with it. Hence the coastal insecurity.

Nas: “Death Certificate is one of the albums that changed my life along with Down By Law, Criminal Minded and a few others. Death Certificate hit me at a time when I was hustling, when I was hanging with hustlers, when I was making life-changing decisions in my life. Death Certificate spoke to me. To this day, it’s one of the boldest, bravest, realest rap albums that will ever be made.”

This is why its important to be from the streets that inspire these hiphop classics. Russell can have things in common but that doesn't mean he is on the same frequency to the point he can truly relate and be touched like Nas was by Death Certificate,maybe you and Russell can't understand the gravity. Death Certificate as Nas said actually changed lives,Cube was the definition of an emcee,and he actually moved peoples entire mentalities and perspectives to change with his rhymes. Nas technical use of multis is masterful,but we've witnessed other masters before and since. We really can't say we ever witnessed another Ice Cube who could do what he did as an emcee,far greater than Nas when it came to being a cinematic emcee. Death Certificate is a much better,thought provoking,entertaining,attention grabbing,climactic movie than Illmatic could ever hope to be. No insecurity here,people in real time made the decision upon release of both of these albums. Cube was the most anticipated and decorated emcee of his generation by rap fans. Nas was shown the backseat in favor of Biggie by his own hometown magazine that gave him the 5 mics. So no need to claim coastal insecurity,Nas own coast chose along with the people of that era.

 

[Yoda]

Below the heavens. That is all.

 

[Benefited]

Oh and it doesn't get harder to push a narrative as time goes on it gets easier. If people here something repeated enough they think the decision has already been decided by the community at large,which is not the case. In this thread you have admitted you take heat for your unpopular opinions,well 80% of hiphop fans aren't willing to take heat for their unpopular opinions,and go along with the program. This isn't even factoring the large ammount of hiphop fans who are too lazy to go back and listen and make their own decision. Plus you are neglecting the fact that Illmatic is an era based album. Theres absolutely no way people of this era could enjoy it more than people of the era that it came out in,and people in that era made a decision you may not care for.

Not to slight Illmatic,my only problem with Illmatic is that you called this "The Illmatic Rule". You cant do that when there are classics who not only meet the Illmatic Rule critera,but supercede the criteria in multiple other aspects. Its like having an "Allen Iverson" rule that measures basketball greatness. Sure Allen Iverson is a hall of famer,but in basketball he can't be the pinnacle of greatness,and the rubric when others outmatch his accomplishments,statistics and accolades.

 

[SirBiatch]

Nas: “Death Certificate is one of the albums that changed my life along with Down By Law, Criminal Minded and a few others. Death Certificate hit me at a time when I was hustling, when I was hanging with hustlers, when I was making life-changing decisions in my life. Death Certificate spoke to me. To this day, it’s one of the boldest, bravest, realest rap albums that will ever be made.”

This is why its important to be from the streets that inspire these hiphop classics. Russell can have things in common but that doesn't mean he is on the same frequency to the point he can truly relate and be touched like Nas was by Death Certificate,maybe you and Russell can't understand the gravity. Death Certificate as Nas said actually changed lives,Cube was the definition of an emcee,and he actually moved peoples entire mentalities and perspectives to change with his rhymes. Nas technical use of multis is masterful,but we've witnessed other masters before and since. We really can't say we ever witnessed another Ice Cube who could do what he did as an emcee,far greater than Nas when it came to being a cinematic emcee. Death Certificate is a much better,thought provoking,entertaining,attention grabbing,climactic movie than Illmatic could ever hope to be. No insecurity here,people in real time made the decision upon release of both of these albums. Cube was the most anticipated and decorated emcee of his generation by rap fans. Nas was shown the backseat in favor of Biggie by his own hometown magazine that gave him the 5 mics. So no need to claim coastal insecurity,Nas own coast chose along with the people of that era.

That's a typo. I meant : russell: as in yawn/boredom.

I'm not sure what the point of your Nas quote is. It's not like you're gonna tell me that Down By Law is a more classic album than Illmatic.

I respect Death Certificate but it's not fukkin with Illmatic. No amount of industry-purchased quotes and struggle narratives can change that. Track for track, it's not fukkin with Illmatic. Simple.

 

[Benefited]

That's a typo. I meant : russell: as in yawn/boredom.

I'm not sure what the point of your Nas quote is. It's not like you're gonna tell me that Down By Law is a more classic album than Illmatic.

I respect Death Certificate but it's not fukkin with Illmatic. No amount of industry-purchased quotes and struggle narratives can change that. Track for track, it's not fukkin with Illmatic. Simple.

Well your fellow canadian Drake said he couldn't understand the black american struggle either,maybe your just not on that frequency

Plus you can't compare track for track,it wouldn't make sense as Death Certificate is a brilliant concept album and a movie. But if we were forced to do so,it would still have more standout songs than Illmatic

But I guess Illmatic Rule sounds more cute and catchy so continue on if its just a symbolic thing. Only pointing out the criteria of this rule is a purely cherry picked based on vanity and stanism.

 

[SirBiatch]

Well your fellow canadian Drake said he couldn't understand the black american struggle either,maybe your just not on that frequency

we've covered this already and you lost. let it go

Plus you can't compare track for track,it wouldn't make sense as Death Certificate is a brilliant concept album and a movie.

sounds like excuses

But if we were forced to do so,it would still have more standout songs than Illmatic

OK

But I guess Illmatic Rule sounds more cute and catchy so continue on if its just a symbolic thing. Only pointing out the criteria of this rule is a purely cherry picked based on vanity and stanism.

have you e-met bigbadbossup2012? He has an excellent "east coast supremacy, similar to white supremacy" shtick that you'd love

 

[Flav]

This topic really should be called The Eric B Rakim Paid And Full rule.

He's the one that set the standard to having dope lyrics and beats and people play songs off that album waaay more than Illmatic today and it dropped about 7/8 years before Illmatic.