The Illmatic Rule (OH SHYT it's SirBiatch!)

[prophecypro]

replay value is also subjective

I remember people used to go on about that for years but Im like dont everyone have different preferences on that?

 

[SirBiatch]

replay value is also subjective

I remember people used to go on about that for years but Im like dont everyone have different preferences on that?

yes replay value is subjective but let's keep it real - it's not as subjective as one would think. We know the albums that have held up. Some music just sounds way better than others, especially as time passes. You may love one song the most (e.g. One Love) while I love another, but we both agree the album is brilliant and we love all the songs. Brilliant art just speaks for itself.

 

[Rollie Forbes]

Where’s this black poster you speak of?

 

[Benefited]

we've covered this already and you lost. let it go



sounds like excuses




OK



have you e-met bigbadbossup2012? He has an excellent "east coast supremacy, similar to white supremacy" shtick that you'd love

Has nothing to do with the east coast as your from canada. I am suggesting you picked that as the name of this rule based on YOUR own vanity and stanism

No excuses neccesary,Nas said it himself.

This topic really should be called The Eric B Rakim Paid And Full rule.

He's the one that set the standard to having dope lyrics and beats and people play songs off that album waaay more than Illmatic today and it dropped about 7/8 years before Illmatic.

This man isn't wrong either btw. OP doesn't seem to know or understand anything before Illmatic,Illmatic is definitley one of those gateway albums for late comers. Or people who want to appear more knowledgable on hiphop then they are. Invoking the Illmatic name is almost a free pass where your credentials won't be questioned. That only works on rookies though not vets.

 

[FRIED MASON]

Thread is dope.

 

[Wallychamp]

5 Star Thread

 

[SirBiatch]

Has nothing to do with the east coast as your from canada.

I'm from The 6, and that's East Coast And we run hip hop right now

Where are you from, breh? and honestly. Not no made up shyt. With some kinda receipts. Watch you go mute

No excuses neccesary,Nas said it himself.

like I said, I don't need quotes to tell me what's dope or not. It's obvious in the music itself. Maybe you do because you're a follower.

I love how you conveniently skipped around him saying the exact same shyt for "Down By Law", and nobody would argue that album being more classic than Illmatic.

and if you feel like this is a 'rookie thread' or whatever nonsense you're trying to convince yourself of, why don't you make your own thread like I've done? Reveal yourself, spit your case and see whether we agree/disagree? But of course you won't. You're too shook, probably don't have the intellect to press 'create thread' and you know what you're saying won't fly. It's much easier to follow SirBiatch around and throw stones tho

 

[Wallychamp]

@SirBiatch came through with a very insightful thread. Glad to you see you back breh.

 

[SirBiatch]

@SirBiatch came through with a very insightful thread. Glad to you see you back breh.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

Lowkey agree with the logic of the OP, at that point though if the criteria is 9 songs that are replayable and A1 vocally/lyrically/production wise then the coastal shyt is irrelevant and it becomes more about which audience the album is going for in the first place.

Albums that target the b-boy crowd are being judged on a different motif than albums that target the street crowd. If a West Coast rapper is targeting the B-Boy crowd at that point the East Coast is clearly the mecca for that culture so the most relevant critique would come from that crowd. East Coast street rap used to retain more of the b-boy influence because both crowds were moving in the same spaces but at this point we can clearly see from the current post-Drill rap coming out of the streets of NYC (namely Brooklyn) that the two crowds were never joined at the hip to begin with, NY b-boy and street culture merely used to overlap more.

That being said, not many places in the US had overt b-boy influence despite the Zulu Nation being very widespread... Chicago, LA, the Bay Area and Detroit were pretty much the only places outside of the East Coast where b-boy culture ever had any significant momentum in the late 80s/early 90s. When gangsta rap's momentum exploded throughout the entire country these same cities continued to produce music for the b-boy audience but as the industry shifted the major labels started dropping the b-boy crowd and the "underground" subculture became a reality. Gangsta rap was not appreciated by b-boy purists but the truth is a lot of folks who came up in the b-boy era also appreciated gangsta rap's raw energy and funky production. The first gangsta rappers came up in the same b-boy era and typically respected the b-boy movement but the east coast b-boy musicality simply didn't translate very well in the West Coast or the South.

Long story short, "Hip Hop" has been a very broad term for years so reviewing Hip Hop throughout the ages as if b-boy culture has dictated the evolution of the music is a fallacy to begin with. And arguably, many of the 90s Hip Hop records we consider classic were influenced by b-boy culture AND gangsta rap culture. And if replayability is a major metric of being a classic, arguably (for better or worse) gangsta rap has proven to be MORE replayable for the following generations of "Hip Hop" nationwide and especially if we're talking production wise. The most discernibly translatable aspect of b-boy Hip Hop production in contemporary Hip Hop production are the actual DJ turntable techniques (scratching, blending, etc.) that were perfected during that era. The only modern references you see to o/a b-boy era production aesthetic are almost always from producers/artists that originated during that era (i.e. Alchemist) or from artists who are essentially making 90s throwback b-boy tribute records (Daringer/Griselda, etc).

B-Boy music worked best in the context that it originated from (rival New York crews attempting to 1-up each other) and that context largely doesn't exist anymore because the culture became increasingly dominated by individual artists instead of crews thanks in part to the record industry. The record label doesn't need to sign a crew to churn out a single, they'll sign the crew and then drop everybody who isn't making hit records. The crews typically imploded on themselves due to misplaced jealousy and resentment. It's a large part of why NY Hip Hop is as divided as it is.

 

[Benefited]

I'm from The 6, and that's East Coast And we run hip hop right now

Where are you from, breh? and honestly. Not no made up shyt. With some kinda receipts. Watch you go mute



like I said, I don't need quotes to tell me what's dope or not. It's obvious in the music itself. Maybe you do because you're a follower.

I love how you conveniently skipped around him saying the exact same shyt for "Down By Law", and nobody would argue that album being more classic than Illmatic.

and if you feel like this is a 'rookie thread' or whatever nonsense you're trying to convince yourself of, why don't you make your own thread like I've done? Reveal yourself, spit your case and see whether we agree/disagree? But of course you won't. You're too shook, probably don't have the intellect to press 'create thread' and you know what you're saying won't fly. It's much easier to follow SirBiatch around and throw stones tho

I've already diminished your opinion through my writings. Why would I post a video unless this was a beauty contest to show I am far more desirable to the average female viewer? It takes talents and concentration to ramble coherently into a phone,I don't possess that skill. You and all the birdbrained instagram thots have me beat in that regard.

and context is everything,we can put two and two together and understand why Down By Law could change someone from QB's life regardless of if it was great or not. But why would a album by a nikka from Compton change a young man from QB's life outside of its greatness. Didn't know you felt followed,thought we were having a discussion. I'll place you on ignore if you would like,born in east st louis but have been all over,mostly west coast,currently in ATL,the place that is actually running shyt

As I said,any hood in America gives greater qualitifcation than Canada,feel free to stick to your opinion though.

 

[$cam-U-Well_Jack$on]

You fukkin fakkit

 

[LevelUp]

Gap teeth in ya mouth so mah dikk got to fit

 

[SirBiatch]

at a stalker re-upping this thread. They're so helplessly addicted to the attention

 

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