The importance of stoicism

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True but I personally don't see what's wrong with working out for vanity (i.e. to get a six pack) it's still accomplishing health goals.

Theres nothing wrong with it morally or heathwise...but if youre going for a sixpack to show off at the beach or training to win some kind of contest then youre being motivated externally ...Other people are influencing you...other people are motivationg you...other people are controlling you...

 

[BrandonBanks]

Dudes are in here overthinking what he said and missing the point

"B-b-but it's not good to be too stoic, you need to have some emotion!!!!!!" Nobody's saying be a total robot devoid of all emotion, but a lot of you are proving his point....You are way too emotional...to the point that where you can't even think straight....And you do it in most threads....you jump to conclusions, argue against something that was never said, get defensive for no reason etc. It's like your mind and behavior is very similar to a woman's

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Dudes are in here overthinking what he said and missing the point

"B-b-but it's not good to be too stoic, you need to have some emotion!!!!!!" Nobody's saying be a total robot devoid of all emotion, but a lot of you are proving his point....You are way too emotional...to the point that where you can't even think straight....And you do it in most threads....you jump to conclusions, argue against something that was never said, get defensive for no reason etc. It's like your mind and behavior is very similar to a woman's

Exactly, these dudes don't get it.

 

[Karb]

Always disliked stoic philosophy. They believe in "whatever happens, happens". The philosophy is grounded in taking the world as is and not changing it as your attempts are futile. So just be passive according to the stoics.

Passions are necessary, however, rationality should be used to operate in the world. Rationalism is the ideal philosophy to live by as it incorporates some stoic ideology. Some adherents of rationalism believe in working to manipulate or control nature which runs counter to stoic ideology.

You've completely misrepresented the stoic school of thought


How does stoicism advocate pacifism when one of the most notable stoic figures was Marcus Aurelius, a Roman emperor who spent his entire reign in the frontiers, battling Germanic tribes?

Have you even read any of their works? I've read Marcus Aurelius' "Meditations" and I'm currently reading Seneca.

From a religious perspective (I'm a Muslim) I disagree with some of their core teachings (particularly the ones that deal with metaphysical realities), but their more practical teachings and reflections are... Well.. practical and useful.

 

[MoroccanBoy]

Taoism is the philosophy that works most for me. It's all about letting go and going with the water instead of resisting it and trying to force everything. This also gets confused for being passive and lazy by dumb westerners but it's not that.

The more you let go of control the more you have it.

 

[ogc163]

Reading this right now. Ryan Holiday's books have a good chunk of stoicism in there, and "The Obstacle is The Way" is a personal favorite. Also about to start Massimo Pigliucci's "How to be a Stoic".

 

[ogc163]

 

[Neuromancer]

Agreed

 

[Soundbwoy]

The Daily Stoic: 366 Meditations on Wisdom, Perseverance, and the Art of Living


I initially read The Art of Not Giving a fukk and somehow started to read about stoic philosophies and its been a wrap ever since

 

[Micky Mikey]

In modern society, guided mostly by the media (who have their own agenda), our view of masculinity often ends up as a caricature. Its all about mindless aggression and brute force. What is never discussed when talking about masculinity is stoicism.

sto·i·cism
ˈstōəˌsizəm/
noun

1. 1.
   the endurance of pain or hardship without a display of feelings and without complaint.
   synonyms: patience, forbearance, resignation,fortitude, endurance, acceptance,tolerance, phlegm
   "she accepted her sufferings with remarkable stoicism"
2. 2.
   an ancient Greek school of philosophy founded at Athens by Zeno of Citium. The school taught that virtue, the highest good, is based on knowledge, and that the wise live in harmony with the divine Reason (also identified with Fate and Providence) that governs nature, and are indifferent to the vicissitudes of fortune and to pleasure and pain.

Stoicism is absolutely vital in becoming a successful, well rounded man. The ability to not let your emotions sway you into destructive actions is what separates men from women. Having a clear head allows you to properly assess any situation and make appropriate choices.

Stoicism has been demonized as men who "aren't in touch with their feelings" and "bottling up emotions", but I counter that its the opposite. Your emotions will always exist, but stoicism is the process of accepting reality. If its something you can change, you can develop a proper course of action, if it can't be changed there's no use worrying about it.

I implore young men to take some time out of everyday to silently reflect. "Wearing your heart on your sleeve" only makes you easier to manipulate and prone to rash decisions.

For the religious brehs, I'll close with a prayer that really helped me out during tough times, and is basically stoicism in a nutshell...

"God grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference"

Powerful post

 

[Neuromancer]

Bump

 

[IVS]

I dont care about nor do i accept any cac, greek, german or jewish philosophical ideas of the world. I shape and form my own view. Fux their opinions.

 

[Youseenmywork]

Good thread

 

[Marzupial]

I dont care about nor do i accept any cac, greek, german or jewish philosophical ideas of the world. I shape and form my own view. Fux their opinions.

I agree with this

A lot of this philosophies were born with the "iam white and I said so" mentality

That don't mean that parts of it aren't valid but as an individual and especially as a black men I can't really follow this stuff

 

[ogc163]