The Israeli Perspective: The Middle East Problem

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Absurd historical revisionism? Lol

I made a point that when we were in control, there was peace and harmony. You disagreed. However, you havent provided any proof to the contrary. And now you're using false superiority to thwart my claim. Now if you have something of value to contribute or rebute my comment, I will entertain you. If not then stfu.


Back in the summer of 1940 and again in February 1941, al-Husseini submitted to the Nazi German Government a draft declaration of German-Arab cooperation, containing a clause:

Germany and Italy recognize the right of the Arab countries to solve the question of the Jewish elements, which exist in Palestine and in the other Arab countries, as required by the national and ethnic (völkisch) interests of the Arabs, and as the Jewish question was solved in Germany and Italy

On 20 November, al-Husseini met the German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop[153] and was officially received by Adolf Hitler on 28 November.[154] He asked Adolf Hitler for a public declaration that 'recognized and sympathized with the Arab struggles for independence and liberation, and that would support the elimination of a national Jewish homeland'

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It is the duty of Muhammadans in general and Arabs in particular to … drive all Jews from Arab and Muhammadan countries….Germany is also struggling against the common foe who oppressed Arabs and Muhammadans in their different countries. It has very clearly recognized the Jews for what they are and resolved to find a definitive solution [endgültige Lösung] for the Jewish danger that will eliminate the scourge that Jews represent in the world.

Claim harmony when leaders advocate and support the genocide of others brehs .

What you're effectively saying is that you want to go back to a time where Jews were dhimmis in the Ottoman Empire, i.e second-class citizens. They can get their little synagogue, some protection from the state if they pay their tax, but not hold any power or saying into the affairs of the state or government. Is that correct?
 

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rewrite history to support your religion, brehs

prove us wrong. There were bums on yahoo disagreeing and citing stuff that happened after wwI, guess they didnt know the date the British Mandate was created. :umad:

Disagree with facts brehs.
 

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Claim harmony when leaders advocate and support the genocide of others brehs .

What you're effectively saying is that you want to go back to a time where Jews were dhimmis in the Ottoman Empire, i.e second-class citizens. They can get their little synagogue, some protection from the state if they pay their tax, but not hold any power or saying into the affairs of the state or government. Is that correct?


breh palestine hasnt been free since the British Mandate, everything you listed is after the British mandate was created.
 

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Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived in peace in palestine until the British Mandate, after that nothing was the same. (btw it was under muslim rule when it was peaceful :umad: )

They lived in relative peace, but they were essentially held as second-class citizens. They had no true self-authority as a community. When they tried to establish self-authority, issues began to escalate. It was not harmony. Maybe we have different definitions of the word harmony. You are right in saying that it's definitely not present-day Israel/Palestine conflict, the violent is overwhelming now, but to act like it was some utopia of religious/ethnic freedom for all mankind is just as absurd friend.
 

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Shouldn't even go back to what was or continue forward with what is. I know this is next to impossible but I keep goin back to the shyt I said in the beginning of this thread. It should just be one neutral UN administered states for all groups with neither names nor flags. UN should control things for a few generation until genuine and lasting equal governance can be be fostered.
 

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They lived in relative peace, but they were essentially held as second-class citizens. They had no true self-authority as a community. When they tried to establish self-authority, issues began to escalate. It was not harmony. Maybe we have different definitions of the word harmony. You are right in saying that it's definitely not present-day Israel/Palestine conflict, the violent is overwhelming now, but to act like it was some utopia of religious/ethnic freedom for all mankind is just as absurd friend.

I know what you're saying, but you have to realize minority groups always face slight discrimination anywhere. Even here in the U.S. But to have 100% discrimination, calls for genocide, etc... is different from a group that makes up less than 10% of a population not being able to hold office.
 

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Shouldn't even go back to what was or continue forward with what is. I know this is next to impossible but I keep goin back to the shyt I said in the beginning of this thread. It should just be one neutral UN administered states for all groups with neither names nor flags. UN should control things for a few generation until genuine and lasting equal governance can be be fostered.

Yea, a No-State Solution might be the most feasible solution besides Israel completely wiping out the Palestinian people from those lands. It's going to take reforming the concept of the security council though. The Security Council procedures and powers are extremely outdated and unfair.
 

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Claim harmony when leaders advocate and support the genocide of others brehs .

What you're effectively saying is that you want to go back to a time where Jews were dhimmis in the Ottoman Empire, i.e second-class citizens. They can get their little synagogue, some protection from the state if they pay their tax, but not hold any power or saying into the affairs of the state or government. Is that correct?

Do you realize how many zionist terrorists, and I use that word in its proper sense, not the way it is used today, were in palestine at the time killing innocents and masterminding attacks? You think our land was conquered in 1 year? I dont have to post how many terrorist attacks were orchestrated against my people in that time. And this man was against the zionism agenda, and years later he is proved to be correct in his assertion as the zionists finally took control of our country. You're acting as if we have no right to defend our country from infiltration and or conquerors. If these zionists wouldnt have invaded, would they have faced persecution? Ofcourse not. There have been jews christians and muslims living side by side for years. Go ask the palestinian jews and christians whose side they on.
 

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I know what you're saying, but you have to realize minority groups always face slight discrimination anywhere. Even here in the U.S. But to have 100% discrimination, calls for genocide, etc... is different from a group that makes up less than 10% of a population not being able to hold office.

Agreed friend. Let us not use the word harmony for such things then right?

American muslims have their own communities, can practice their faith, can hold office, and have many other equal protections. Plenty of American Jews, Atheists, Muslims, Christians are also neighbors and friends. It doesn't meant that there is not egregious actions by the state towards American Muslims or that there is total religious harmony. Same with race. No need to sell false utopias for propaganda reasons. What is occurring in Gaza is reason enough to demonstrate clear atrocities by the Israeli government in the present.

I hate to say it, but this is one of those topics where I have to take anything said by a Jew/Israeli/Zionist or a Arab/Palestinian/Muslim on this topic with a grain of salt because you don't know how much is true and how much is part of the PR/propaganda war.
 

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Do you realize how many zionist terrorists, and I use that word in its proper sense, not the way it is used today, were in palestine at the time killing innocents and masterminding attacks? You think our land was conquered in 1 year? I dont have to post how many terrorist attacks were orchestrated against my people in that time. And this man was against the zionism agenda, and years later he is proved to be correct in his assertion as the zionists finally took control of our country. You're acting as if we have no right to defend our country from infiltration and or conquerors. If these zionists wouldnt have invaded, would they have faced persecution? Ofcourse not. There have been jews christians and muslims living side by side for years. Go ask the palestinian jews and christians whose side they on.


The man you're defending clearly advocated the genocide of all jews. It's there in his own words.
 

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Yea, a No-State Solution might be the most feasible solution besides Israel completely wiping out the Palestinian people from those lands. It's going to take reforming the concept of the security council though. The Security Council procedures and powers are extremely outdated and unfair.

Yeah that's why I have next to no faith that this could ever happen. As terrible as it is to suggest, the worst this conflict gets the sooner the Security Council would have to seriously consider fixing this several decades old mistake. But it's crazy not enough people suggest a neutral state solution. Reza Aslan kinda alluded to it but he didn't go so far as to say that it was a remedy but rather an inevitability.

The Jews won't leave and imo they have a right to live in their holy land as do Muslims and Christians or anyone else for that matter, the Palestinians won't be wiped out and put under this brutality and degradation anymore. Neither of em should have power til they can create a peaceful society for themselves and each other and a 2 state solution at this point is a joke and a slower method of Israel gettin what it wants anyway. The worst the Israelis get in this conflict the worse the international community and its leaders look for enabling this type of show simply out of fear of its petulant bratty monster of a creation.
 

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The man you're defending clearly advocated the genocide of all jews. It's there in his own words.

No he wasn't, he was against Zionism. The term wasn't as common back then as it is today. Zionist claimed to be Jews and hijacked this religion to push their agenda.

What you're missing and completely ignoring here is that, Palestinians never asked for this. They were invaded by the Zionists and the west and forced to act in self defense means. Before the Zionist agenda, everything was cool. Once the Zionists started their terror war, we had to defend ourselves and try to stop the Zionist offensive that was put in front of us. Everybody is acting like its criminal to defend yourself from an occupying force, when in fact it's the noble thing to do. And you still didn't answer my question of why the Jews and Christians of Palestine are on our side. Why are the real Jews supporting Palestine and against the state of Israel? Do you see any Muslims in support of israel?
 

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Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived in peace in palestine until the British Mandate, after that nothing was the same. (btw it was under muslim rule when it was peaceful :umad: )
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