The Issue is Not Trump. It is Us

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lol, yes, and the election was to determine who won the most votes in the electoral college. you can cry all you want about popular vote this and that, but the election has never been about the popular vote so those numbers are the equivalent to jack shyt....


we can go down any road you want, in the end the electoral college determines the president, all the stomping of your feet about how won the popular vote won't change that....

LOL at "crying about popular vote". You sound like Trump. The fact is more people voted for Hillary. The electoral college is an arbitrary byproduct of slavery it has nothing to do with the will of the people. And this is not to say he's illegitimate, at least not for that reason, just to point out more people in this country clearly wanted Clinton to be President.:umad:
 

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Sure the electoral college determines the president. But similarly the popular vote determined who was more popular.
....in certain areas.

and again, that is why I have an issue with polls and surveys where they can be easily skewed.

go to Manhattan and ask 2000 ppl who is more popular and you will get a higher result for a Obama/Hillary than Trump

Go to the Midwest and it would be the opposite.

Polls need to be transparent, if you don't know the sample they use they aren't useful and are usually only used(skewed) to confirm your biases.
 

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he said racism AND STUPIDITY. that means even if by chance some voter voted for trump saying "well, i hate hillary, so lets see what trump will do even though he has not showed us an actual plan yet. and things keep switching from talking point to talking point." thats the stupidity voter.

the voter that wants Coal to come back to his town because his town USE to be based on COAL. not understanding...forget global warming science. look at china. thats what will happen to the US if you take off all regulation just so you and your town can thrive off of the old resources and not get serious about going into renewable energy. these people are not just willing to catch black lung just to work again. they are willing to make sure we all have black lung and have a constant cloud of crap over all of our cities. so in essence. they are willing to kill themselves and the rest of us for a short term job that they wont even be able to use the benefits of since they and us will all be sick and on our death beds from not being able to breath or drink some contaminated drinking water. This is the stupidy voter my friend.

so racist + stupidty gave trump enough votes.

Disagree with your definition of stupidity and I think that classification is what is going to keep kicking the DNC in the ass. If people say I pick trump over a known quanity, then stop doing and supporting the policy of that known quanity and thats really to both big parties.

China isn't what will happen to the US if coal is brought back, China is going through what the US, UK, Germany, France, and all other industrialized nations went through during mechanization and industrialization, its going to be ugly and dirty fuel use ramping up before you have the luxury of going "green"

Black lung has more to do with poor work place practices and cronyism in sheilding companies from lawsuits than with using coal or mining for it.

So overall I disagree with you pretty much entirely, but hey tomato tomatoe
 

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LOL at "crying about popular vote". You sound like Trump. The fact is more people voted for Hillary. The electoral college is an arbitrary byproduct of slavery it has nothing to do with the will of the people. And this is not to say he's illegitimate, at least not for that reason, just to point out more people in this country clearly wanted Clinton to be President.:umad:
more ppl in heavier populated states, that doesn't mean it's more valid....

I'm sorry that YOUR candidate lost playing the rules of the game that was laid out from the beginning.

complaining about the rules AFTER is some poor sport shyt. the electoral college is NOT new this year. If it was a problem before....then she should have fought to have it changed.
 

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more ppl in heavier populated states, that doesn't mean it's more valid....

I'm sorry that YOUR candidate lost playing the rules of the game that was laid out from the beginning.

complaining about the rules AFTER is some poor sport shyt. the electoral college is NOT new this year. If it was a problem before....then she should have fought to have it changed.
You're spinning here. The election samples more people than any poll. The results are legit. More people live in more populous areas. That's how population works. More people aren't happy with him. That's the entire point.

You're moving the goal post. No one asked if more states like Trump. Just people.
 

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more ppl in heavier populated states, that doesn't mean it's more valid....

I'm sorry that YOUR candidate lost playing the rules of the game that was laid out from the beginning.

complaining about the rules AFTER is some poor sport shyt. the electoral college is NOT new this year. If it was a problem before....then she should have fought to have it changed.

I've complained about the electoral college for years. It's arbitrary, outdated and non-nonsensical, but that's irrelevant to the point. Hillary Clinton won 3 million more votes, any suggestion that she was less popular than Trump is absurd as is using the electoral college is support of that idea.
 

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just for the record. I'm not saying what this guy said was OK. I'm just saying in general that without context words mean nothing, and to say that a person of a certain skin color can't say certain words....I just can't agree with it.

cool, you can let white people call you a slave but, I aint goin for it champ.
 

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Good article

HL showing its ass. Obama was a terrible president. Whether you look at his foreign policy, or how the party he lead was gutted at every level below him, or how top heavy his economic recovery was.... :yeshrug:

Liberals need to stop making excuses.... if Obama were a white Republican his tenure would be rightly eviscerated. Mr. 72 Bombs A Day :scusthov:
 

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Dude is not Black...he's part of this new crop of white posters pretending to be black in order to post their White Supremacist views in HL without fear of reprisal.

The current wave is "not supporting" Trump but being anti everything that is anti-Trump, as well as acting like dude isn't racist or that his entire caibnet is not chocked filled of racists and people whose views are DIRECTLY detrimental to Black people.

They then top it off with a reference to Hillary Clinton (who lost and is now irrelevant as fukk) and try to inflate Obama's actions to be on the level of Stalin or some shyt.
 

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Good article

HL showing its ass. Obama was a terrible president. Whether you look at his foreign policy, or how the party he lead was gutted at every level below him, or how top heavy his economic recovery was.... :yeshrug:

Liberals need to stop making excuses.... if Obama were a white Republican his tenure would be rightly eviscerated. Mr. 72 Bombs A Day :scusthov:
You're not a liberal. Why would liberals listen to conservative critique on how liberalism should be? :francis:
 

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You're spinning here. The election samples more people than any poll. The results are legit. More people live in more populous areas. That's how population works. More people aren't happy with him. That's the entire point.

You're moving the goal post. No one asked if more states like Trump. Just people.
And apparently you don't know how surveying works or how easy it is to skew results. but yes...the results ARE legit. So...accept the fact that Trump is the new president, and give up on this BS popular crap.

I've complained about the electoral college for years. It's arbitrary, outdated and non-nonsensical, but that's irrelevant to the point. Hillary Clinton won 3 million more votes, any suggestion that she was less popular than Trump is absurd as is using the electoral college is support of that idea.
it really isn't absurd. Trump won by playing to the rules of the game. if the game was to see who got the most votes overall then the strategy would have been different. Perhaps he wouldn't have spent so much time in the less populous states and more in populated states.

Thats why shyt like this is ridiculous, you play by the rules that are in play. you can't just change the rules after the game has been played and make them work toward the result that happened. This totally dismisses strategies and moves that were in play before.
 

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You're not a liberal. Why would liberals listen to conservative critique on how liberalism should be? :francis:
I'm not a conservative either. You have a functioning human brain, don't be so simple.

And the outcome of this last election demonstrates pretty fukking well why liberals should step outside their ideological bubbles.

Some stupid fukk on here literally said "we don't need Congress or gubernatorial seats... we have the highest office in the land :jawalrus:"

How's that milkshake taste now Mase? :sas1:
 
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