The Jokic Robbed MVP Narrative IS Nonsense

[Shadow King]

I respectfully disagree. All those players had more seasons deserving of MVP but didnt get it. Its a narrative, team success, your turn award. You dont get it every year you are worthy. That is the standard for the award in modern times. And as great as Jokic is, is he the guy to change that for?

I am not even gonna try to act like race isnt a part of this especially when the last guy to win 3 straight is Bird. Mike took over and suddenly we get tired of voting for the same dude .

Nah. You don't maintain poor practice. My favorite player should have 5 in a row in a real time frame I could follow but I'm not sitting here saying Jokic shouldn't cause he didn't.

Yes Jokic was the guy to change that for, because he was the guy in position to do it and deserved it.

 

[FTBS]

Nah. You don't maintain poor practice. My favorite player should have 5 in a row in a real time frame I could follow but I'm not sitting here saying Jokic shouldn't cause he didn't.

Yes Jokic was the guy to change that for, because he was the guy in position to do it and deserved it.

He aint the first though. Thats my point. Was he better than MJ or Bron or Duncans best 3 years for the last 3 years? If you wanna say he was, was he so much better that we change the practice?

I get your point and usually agree (see: baseball HOF). But this is different IMO and frankly it might just be because of the race angle. It would be for a league thats majority black with all these black GOATs to have Bird win 3 straight, skip all these black GOATs and then conveniently come to their senses for Jokic.

 

[Shadow King]

He aint the first though. Thats my point. Was he better than MJ or Bron or Duncans best 3 years for the last 3 years? If you wanna say he was, was he so much better that we change the practice?

I get your point and usually agree (see: baseball HOF). But this is different IMO and frankly it might just be because of the race angle. It would be for a league thats majority black with all these black GOATs to have Bird win 3 straight, skip all these black GOATs and then conveniently come to their senses for Jokic.

I didn't say he was the first. It's not about him being first. It's about correcting the poor practice you've been implementing.

Jordan? No, I'm not sure what 3 year stretch could be pinpointed as his best.
I already told you Bron should have a 5peat. He doesn't because media got mad that he played their game and didn't choose to save The Mecca of basketball or chase Jordan literally in his own house.
Duncan? Probably.

It would only be on this site.

Again, "these guys didn't threepeat so he shouldn't" doesn't work for me. This is going to keep going back and forth.

 

[Illin Degenerate]

It wasn't simple voter fatigue. Embiid cried about not having one and then Perkins did heat it up bringing up race. This could've been a chance for a player's greatness to override that and that possibility was erased.

Just because those people did not, doesn't mean no future player should either.

agreed, you dont screw over someone now because someone got screwed in the past. i think that history element along with voter fatigue pushed some to not vote for him even if it was subconsciously. perk had his role but i think it was more so the overall negative pr campaign against joker. you had ppl going out of their way to post negative highlights of joker to try and make him look like the worst defender in the league and spouting conspiracy theories about analytics and how his impact was a mathematical illusion. thankfully most now have the self awareness to shut the fukk up forever and in a few cases even admit they were wrong.

the fact jokic had 65 1st place votes the year prior then last year embiid had 73 1st place votes made the whole thing look like a sham. that said i dont think anybody is really whining about it because jokic showed who was the best player in the league when it matters. it just cheapens the award itself when it turns into a propaganda pr campaign rather than deciding who had the best season.

 

[PatCake]

Thank you! I hate this narrative. Embiid's been a top 5 player for 4/5 seasons now. The regular season award really could have gone to anyone. Jokic was 6th seed MVP a couple of seasons ago and did nothing in the playoffs too. It's really just white boys narratives.

 

[boskey]

I didn't say he was the first. It's not about him being first. It's about correcting the poor practice you've been implementing.

I don't think it's a poor practice. The criteria for MVP is too vague and there are too many talented players in the league so I don't see a problem with rotating the winner rather than giving a guy his 3rd, 4th or 5th MVP which really doesn't do much for their resume. It's not a championship.

It only looks bad right now cuz perception of Embiid is trending down, rather than trending up like Derrick Rose, Steve Nash, Dirk or Iverson. If he won it over Joker in a "breakout" year nobody would be this upset

 

[Shadow King]

I don't think it's a poor practice. The criteria for MVP is too vague and there are too many talented players in the league so I don't see a problem with rotating the winner rather than giving a guy his 3rd, 4th or 5th MVP which really doesn't do much for their resume. It's not a championship.

It only looks bad right now cuz perception of Embiid is trending down, rather than trending up like Derrick Rose, Steve Nash, Dirk or Iverson. If he won it over Joker in a "breakout" year nobody would be this upset

It is a poor practice. The criteria isn't really that vague, what rotates is which component is placed at #1.

Everyone doesn't win championships. But even less people win MVP, let alone a 2nd, or 3rd, and even further any 2 or 3 in consecutive order. Saying a number of MVPs doesn't do much for an individual's resume is disingenuous.


And Embiid and Jokic have been peaking at the same time. Jokic has simply been better.

 

[Biscayne]

It wasn't simple voter fatigue. Embiid cried about not having one and then Perkins did heat it up bringing up race. This could've been a chance for a player's greatness to override that and that possibility was erased.

Just because those people did not, doesn't mean no future player should either.

Y’all giving Perk way too much credit. Embiid played exceptionally well. A toss up isn’t a robbery. It’s a toss up. I don’t see how it wasn’t. Analytically, wins, etc. Embiid had an all time Big season.

 

[BigTyme Records]

who cares about MVP Jokic is a better player

 

[Shadow King]

Y’all giving Perk way too much credit. Embiid played exceptionally well. A toss up isn’t a robbery. It’s a toss up. I don’t see how it wasn’t. Analytically, wins, etc. Embiid had an all time Big season.

It wasn't a toss up though...and if it was the other guy shouldn't have needed to campaign to get the award.

 

[Ziggiy]

It wasn't simple voter fatigue. Embiid cried about not having one and then Perkins did heat it up bringing up race. This could've been a chance for a player's greatness to override that and that possibility was erased.

Oh boo hoo. Tell that white boy welcome to the back of the bus

fukk Jokic

 

[Shadow King]

Performance babble

 

[Illin Degenerate]

It is a poor practice. The criteria isn't really that vague, what rotates is which component is placed at #1.

Everyone doesn't win championships. But even less people win MVP, let alone a 2nd, or 3rd, and even further any 2 or 3 in consecutive order. Saying a number of MVPs doesn't do much for an individual's resume is disingenuous.


And Embiid and Jokic have been peaking at the same time. Jokic has simply been better.

the problem with the everyone gets an mvp logic beyond it being dumb is what do you do when someone wins 2 in a row again and in that 3rd season they are far and away the only guy who should be mvp, do you vote for someone else anyway? thats silly. you dont vote today based on being worried about someone in the present or future being too lazy or stupid to understand context or do research, or to protect the past.

 

[Raw Lyrics]

Embiid would have won the MVP with or without Jokic "coasting"

I'm glad Kendrick Perkins exposed the Stat nerds colonizing NBA basketball

I'm glad Embiid won it.

If you wanna talk robbery you can make the case for players like Jordan, LeBron, and to a lesser extent Kobe being robbed of MVP awards.

 

[boskey]

what do you do when someone wins 2 in a row again and in that 3rd season they are far and away the only guy who should be mvp

Vote for the only person who deserves it obviously. The whole point is that there are usually multiple players that you can make an MVP case for