The "Kobe was a sidekick" argument needs to stop

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BrothaZay said:
Im saying you nikkas pull up final stats but the first two teams they faced in the finals, their best players were SGs, like Kobe. How different would the numbers look if the best player was a HOF big man and they just had some scrub SG. Oh wait,

2002, Lakers-Spurs 2nd round

Kobe: 26ppg,5rpg,5apg, 45 FG%
Shaq: 21ppg,12rpg,3apg, 44FG%

Duncan:27ppg, 17rpg,4apg

Duncan shytted on shaq that series and Kobe was clearly their best player. Stop acting like Shaq was superman and kobe was some bum.
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Like I said, they don't make it out of the west in '02 without Kobe. Shaq was still the alpha in the gameplan.

Let's look at this another way. MVP voting:

2000 - Shaq wins MVP, Kobe is 12th in voting
2001 - Shaq is 3rd in voting, Kobe is 9th
2002 - Shaq is 3rd in voting, Kobe is 5th

So you can see that Kobe was creeping up on Shaq and about to surpass him when the 3peat ended. Incidentally, in '03 Kobe finished 3rd in MVP voting and Shaq was 5th, but they lost to the Spurs in the playoffs. In '04, Kobe was 5th and Shaq was 6th in MVP voting and they lost to the Pistons in the Finals.

So when Shaq was the alpha dog, they won championships. Once Kobe surpassed him, he couldn't lead a team with Shaq on it to a title. :shaq:
 
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Skooby said:
Shaq wasn't in his prime when he was with Penny and he also ran into The Dream.

And what people miss when they mention the Eddie Jones and Nick Van Exel years is that they ran into more experienced teams. Shaq was with the Lakers for 3 seasons before they won in 2000. In 97 and 98 they lost to Utah, who ended going to the Finals. In 99 they lost to the Spurs, who won the title. It wasn't like they was getting bounced out by bottom-feeders. They lost to the team that eventually went to the Finals/won the championship.

People also forget that the Lakers added Glen Rice, Ron Harper, Brian Shaw, and John Salley that off-season. They also brung back A.C. Green...veterans who won championships and solid players who knew their role. Van Exel and Eddie Jones wanted to be stars. That's what got them over the hump...Not Kobe. Like I said, replace him with Vince Carter, T-Mac, AI, Pierce or Marbury and they still win.
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I love how Shaq wasnt in his prime can be used as an excuse, as if kobe was in his prime in 2000 nikka was only like 21 years old lmao
 
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2000 Playoffs
1st Round
Kobe 27.8/4.4/3.6/1.2/0.6 on 496 FG%
Shaq 29.4/17.4/2.8/0.8/2.6 on 543 FG%

2nd Round
Kobe 21.0/3.8/3.4/2.0/1.4 on 452 FG%
Shaq 30.2/16.2/2.6/0.4/2.6 on 559 FG%

WCF
Kobe 20.4/4.9/5.9/1.6/2.1 on 439 FG%
Shaq 25.9/12.4/4.3/0.1/1.9 on 537 FG%

2001 Playoffs
1st Round
Kobe 25.0/4.3/7.7/2.3 on 481 FG%
Shaq 27.0/15.7/2.7/0.0/1.0 on 484 FG%

2nd Round
Kobe 35.0/9.0/4.3/1.3/0.5 on 473 FG%
Shaq 33.3/17.3/2.3/0.5/3.3 on 598 FG%

WCF
Kobe 33.3/7.0/7.0/1.5/0.8 on 514 FG%
Shaq 27.0/13.0/2.5/0.8 on 541 FG%

2002 Playoffs
1st Round
Kobe 26.0/5.7/5.0/2.0/1.7 on 353 FG%
Shaq 25.7/11.3/4.0/0.7/1.7 on 563 FG%

2nd Round
Kobe 26.2/5.4/4.8/1.0/.02 on 455 FG%
Shaq 21.4/12.2/3.2/0.6/3.0 on 447 FG%

WCF
Kobe 27.1/6.3/3.9/1.4/1.1 on 419 FG%
Shaq 30.3/13.6/1.6/0.4/2.4 on 532 FG%
 
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Listen You Douchebags said:
Like I said, they don't make it out of the west in '02 without Kobe. Shaq was still the alpha in the gameplan.

Let's look at this another way. MVP voting:

2000 - Shaq wins MVP, Kobe is 12th in voting
2001 - Shaq is 3rd in voting, Kobe is 9th
2002 - Shaq is 3rd in voting, Kobe is 5th

So you can see that Kobe was creeping up on Shaq and about to surpass him when the 3peat ended. Incidentally, in '03 Kobe finished 3rd in MVP voting and Shaq was 5th, but they lost to the Spurs in the playoffs. In '04, Kobe was 5th and Shaq was 6th in MVP voting and they lost to the Pistons in the Finals.

So when Shaq was the alpha dog, they won championships. Once Kobe surpassed him, he couldn't lead a team with Shaq on it to a title. :shaq:
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THATS CUZ SHAQ OPTED NOT TO PLAY DEFENSE OR REBOUND IF HE DIDNT GET THE BALL EVERY TIME DOWN......WHAT U THINK THE WHOLE BEEF WAS OVER? SHAQ STARTED SLACKIN OFF WHEN KOBE WAS TAKIN OVER HIS SPOT....JEALOUSY KILLS.
 
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