The "Kobe was a sidekick" argument needs to stop

[OG_StankBrefs]

 

[KingMalik]

Come on. Put Vince Carter, T-Mac, AI, Pierce, Murbury, Ray Allen or even in place of Kobe during that run and they still win 3 'ships.

Those teams were all about Shaq.

Put Duncan in place of Shaq and they still win 3 'ships. They might win more

 

[KingMalik]

Yall nikkas can troll and hate all you wants, sidekicks don't put up 30 points. I'm glad Kobe got him shipped out of town. Who the hell wants to put up 28, 30 everynight only to have some nikka have all the credit? If he's so replaceable and it's that easy, then go win multiple rings with somebody else. And we saw very much later on, it wasn't that easy

 

[Newzz]

Yet Kobe's dikk stays in your mouth. Look at your tagline

I signed up for SOHH in 2009. You was hating Kobe then. Get a life.

He's been hating on Kobe since 2001 at LEAST breh


That's when I signed up for SOHH and back then, Lord William Bilz was in his Prime hating on Kobe with his Sacramento Kings trying to back him up

 

[VegasCAC]

Kobe was a role player for the 2000 title. He was second option for the other two. SECOND option.

 

[Newzz]

kobe has beaten 2 55 win teams in the last 11 years. But yeah, it was all him and definitely not Shaq right brehs?

How many has he played in the last 11 years?

 

[Jutt]

Some of yall nikkas gonna be lost when Kobe retires.

 

[Propaganda]

i guarantee most of the kobe stans on this board weren't old enough to even understand basketball when that 3-peat team was running things.

 

[Ashyneezz]

Here's Shaq's stats from the 2000 Finals:
Game 1 43pts 19rebs
Game 2 40 pts 24rebs
Game 3 33pts 13 rebs
Game 4 36pts 21rebs
Game 5 35pts 11rebs
Game 6 41pts 12rebs

He averaged 38pts & 17rebs in the finals

But it wasn't Shaq that won that series

Those are some 2k MyPlayer type numbers

 

[the artist known az]

Those are some 2k MyPlayer type numbers

Dog, there was a game against the sixers in the 01 finals where he had 28 pts, 20 rebs, 9 assts, & 8 blks

 

[be back in a bit]

Kobe threads in 2015

lol my first thought. The "Kobe needed help" which was a hot topic 4-5 years ago.

 

[Skooby]

Put Duncan in place of Shaq and they still win 3 'ships. They might win more

Maybe so. Kobe would have been a sidekick to Duncan too.

 

[Dirty D]

Let's make this simple.

2000
Game 1
Shaq: 43 points, 19 rebounds, 4 assists, 21-for-31 shooting, 1-for-6 free throws
Kobe: 14 points, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 6-for-13 shooting, 2-for-2 free throws

Game 2
Shaq: 40 points, 24 rebounds, 4 assists, 11-for-18 shooting, 18-for-39 free throws
Kobe: 2 points, 1 rebound, 4 assists, 1-for-3 shooting, no free throws. Kobe got injured and only played 9 minutes in this game. Lakers still won.

Game 3
Shaq: 33 points, 13 rebounds, 1 assist, 15-for-24 shooting, 3-for-13 free throws
Kobe: DNP due to ankle injury. Lakers lost this game after winning the first 2

Game 4
Shaq: 36 points, 21 rebounds, 1 assist, 13-for-25 shooting, 10-for-17 free throws
Kobe: 28 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists, 14-for-27 shooting, no free throws. Overtime heroics to win the game for LA after Shaq fouled out.

Game 5
Shaq: 35 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 17-for-27 shooting, 1-for-6 free throws
Kobe: 8 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 4-for-20 shooting, no free throws

Game 6
Shaq: 41 points, 12 rebounds, 1 assist, 19-for-32 shooting, 3-for-12 free throws
Kobe: 26 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists, 8-for-27 shooting, 8-for-9 free throws

Series averages
Shaq: 38 ppg, 16.7 rpg, 2.3 apg, 61% shooting, 37% free throws
Kobe: 15.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 4.2 apg, 37% shooting, 91% free throws
Kobe excluding Game 2: 19ppg, 5.5 rpg, 4.3 apg, 37% shooting, 91% free throws

2000 Verdict: Clear-cut Sidekick

2001
Game 1
Shaq: 44 points, 20 rebounds, 5 assists, 17-for-28 shooting, 10-for-22 free throws
Kobe: 15 points, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 7-for-22 shooting, 1-for-1 free throws

Game 2
Shaq: 28 points, 20 rebounds, 9 assists, 12-for-19 shooting, 4-for-10 free throws
Kobe: 31 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 11-for-23 shooting, 8-for-8 free throws

Game 3
Shaq: 30 points, 12 rebounds, 3 assists, 11-for-20 shooting, 8-for-9 free throws
Kobe: 32 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 13-for-30 shooting, 6-for-6 free throws

Game 4
Shaq: 34 points, 14 rebounds, 5 assists, 13-for-25 shooting, 8-for-16 free throws
Kobe: 19 points, 10 rebounds, 9 assists, 6-for-13 shooting, 7-for-12 free throws

Game 5
Shaq: 29 points, 13 rebounds, 2 assists, 10-for-18 shooting, 9-for-19 free throws
Kobe: 26 points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists, 7-for-18 shooting, 10-for-11 free throws

Series averages
Shaq: 33 ppg, 15.8 rpg, 4.8 apg, 57% shooting, 51% free throws
Kobe: 24.6 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 5.8 apg, 42% shooting, 84% free throws

2001 Verdict: Still a Sidekick.

2002
Game 1
Shaq: 36 points, 16 rebounds, 1 assist, 12-for-22 shooting, 12-for-21 free throws
Kobe: 22 points, 3 rebounds, 6 assists, 6-for-16 shooting, 10-for-11 free throws

Game 2
Shaq: 40 points, 12 rebounds, 8 assists, 14-for-23 shooting, 12-for-14 free throws
Kobe: 24 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 9-for-15 shooting, 3-for-4 free throws

Game 3
Shaq: 35 points, 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 12-for-19 shooting, 11-for-17 free throws
Kobe: 36 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 14-for-23 shooting, 7-for-10 free throws

Game 4
Shaq: 34 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists, 12-for-20 shooting, 10-for-16 free throws
Kobe: 25 points, 6 rebounds, 8 assists, 7-for-16 shooting, 9-for-11 free throws

Series averages
Shaq: 36.3 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 3.8 apg, 60% shooting, 66% free throws
Kobe: 26.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 5.3 apg, 51% shooting, 81% free throws

2002 Verdict: Still a Sidekick.

So in summary, Kobe got better in the Finals each year of the 3-peat, but did not once approach Shaq's level. In their last successful Finals together, Shaq averaged almost 10 points a game more than Kobe, despite Kobe having a GREAT Finals, and shooting only 3.5 shots less per game than him.

Shaq was incredible and any star would have killed to play with him. Part of the hate for Kobe in that phase of his career was that he had such a golden opportunity and didn't appreciate it at all. If Shaq stayed in LA he would not have had to wait until 2009 to get back to the Finals with Gasol/Bynum/Odom. The Lakers could have kept making Finals runs for the rest of the 2000's had they stayed together.

 

[Rakim Allah]

Kobe threads in 2015

What will you be able talk about then since you aren't making Kings threads in 2015??

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

You wanna run with that "this was Shaq's team shyt" then he should've got his rings with Eddie Jones since he was so damn good.

So you're saying Del Harris was a championship coach.......