The Last days?

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The literal Christian perspective is that the end of days is upon us, so repent now, sell your possessions, don't worry about burying your dead father or getting married (unless it will keep your heart from hardening as Paul said), and give the end of your time on earth to God.

These guys were Jews and you can't understand Jesus without understanding the idea of the Jewish messiah. His purpose is to redeem Israel and reunite the lost tribes in the kingdom of their God, not to save the world or to have everyone stick around with the bus idling while his disciples go out and hand out tickets

I'm sure that you've already read the New Testament so I don't need to give you any examples but how can say that Jesus' intentions were to only save the people of Israel? He preached many times that he came to save all kinds of people- you don't need context to explain what has explicitly been said.
 

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I'm sure that you've already read the New Testament so I don't need to give you any examples but how can say that Jesus' intentions were to only save the people of Israel? He preached many times that he came to save all kinds of people- you don't need context to explain what has explicitly been said.
Jesus and his followers preached to their people. Paul brought it to the world, even to the dislike of Peter and the other apostles

Through salesmanship and political circumstance, Christianity became a religion of the masses. It wasn't even a religion in Jesus' lifetime, "fulfill the law" means nothing to Gentiles of that era
 

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Jesus and his followers preached to their people. Paul brought it to the world, even to the dislike of Peter and the other apostles

Through salesmanship and political circumstance, Christianity became a religion of the masses. It wasn't even a religion in Jesus' lifetime, "fulfill the law" means nothing to Gentiles of that era

Of course it wasn't a religion in Jesus' lifetime as Christianity was legitimised and validated through the resurrection of Jesus Christ- it proved that he is the Messaiah. There is evidence in he Bible that when Jesus preached, he was talking to Gentiles as well as Jews. I assumed that you had read the New Testament so I didn't think that I even needed to provide you with any examples. Do tell me if I need to provide some.
 

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Of course it wasn't a religion in Jesus' lifetime as Christianity was legitimised and validated through the resurrection of Jesus Christ- it proved that he is the Messaiah. There is evidence in he Bible that when Jesus preached, he was talking to Gentiles as well as Jews. I assumed that you had read the New Testament so I didn't think that I even needed to provide you with any examples. Do tell me if I need to provide some.
You don't need to. I read this from a critical historical perspective and you read it from a religious one. Jesus was a Jew and one of many of his time who claimed to be the messiah. His death sent his followers into ruin until Paul converted and created infrastructure. Your religion today is as Paulist as it is Christian if not more. None of your bible pre-Acts was originally meant to be observed by Gentiles. Anyone the least bit versed in the historicity of scripture is aware of this. And this is not a criticism of Christianity, it's a clarification. You cannot understand the religion without first knowing Jesus'
 

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You don't need to. I read this from a critical historical perspective and you read it from a religious one. Jesus was a Jew and one of many of his time who claimed to be the messiah. His death sent his followers into ruin until Paul converted and created infrastructure. Your religion today is as Paulist as it is Christian if not more. None of your bible pre-Acts was originally meant to be observed by Gentiles. Anyone the least bit versed in the historicity of scripture is aware of this. And this is not a criticism of Christianity, it's a clarification. You cannot understand the religion without first knowing Jesus'

1) Which is why I said that the resurrection of Jesus proved that really is the Messiah.

2) Although the teachings of Paul form a very important part of the New Testament, he was just a prophet, similar to the Prophet Isaiah in the Old Testament. Some prophets are more significant that others however Jesus is held in a different regard to Christians.

3) This is simply not true. You said that you've read this from a historical perspective but in order to understand the Bible, wouldn't you have had to have read it first? Jesus clearly states (and it is stated in many parts of the Bible) that he has come to save as many people as possible, this doesn't just include the Jews.
 

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1) Which is why I said that the resurrection of Jesus proved that really is the Messiah.

2) Although the teachings of Paul form a very important part of the New Testament, he was just a prophet, similar to the Prophet Isaiah in the Old Testament. Some prophets are more significant that others however Jesus is held in a different regard to Christians.

3) This is simply not true. You said that you've read this from a historical perspective but in order to understand the Bible, wouldn't you have had to have read it first? Jesus clearly states (and it is stated in many parts of the Bible) that he has come to save as many people as possible, this doesn't just include the Jews.
The resurrection is a belief, it's not a historical happening like the existence of Jesus, his teachings, or Paul's travels throughout the levant. This does not convince a non-Christian that Jesus was indeed the messiah.

Paul's letters inform church practice to this day, and he's the reason the religion got state acceptance and eventual official status of the most powerful empire of the modern world.

I have a degree in theology, I've read the bible more times than I'd like to admit. But you have to read around it to really get it. You can't just read it on faith and not understand any social context. They don't teach this in Sunday school, you have to approach it from an angle where you're not looking for confirmation of what your pastor or priest told you.

If you're not familiar with suzerainty of Mesopotamian governance, don't even try to debate anything biblical. Everything that drives scripture starts thousands of years before Abraham
 

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Old people always be on this last days steeze.

I find it to be more women then men sayin it.

I love fuccin with em about it. I got a a pretty decent union gig so i got alot of middle age folks working there.

Im like oh you 54....had a good career for 30 years....had your kids and traveled the world and bought your toys but now we in the last days huh breh

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I bet you wasnt sayin that shyt when you was 24 and pretth and playin the field and getting ur back blown out by diff dudes every other day

But now the young breh is getting his bread and life lined up n shyt coming together an now its the end of days tho huh :francis::francis:
 

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those bible passages are as deep as a puddle.

we been in the so called last days for thousands of years. All that shyt has been going on from the beginning and the bible is nothing more than a b*stardized book any ole damn way, but whatever gives you comfort. :manny:


True but thinking about time as in timeline of the earth. It's really recent. Earth is old bruh. Very old.
 
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