I mean, it was cringe and a bit silly. Nothing else to it"I'm going to be a dad now"
I haven't watched this, but was this part as bad as the clip is making it seem?
'The Last of Us' - Season 2 Thread (NO GAME SPOILERS!) | HBO | April 13th, 2025 (7 Episodes)
Theodoresolderbreh
No Shorts No Malarkey
What other lgbt themes did they add I missed in the season 2 show because everything I seen was in the game besides the cornball I'm gonna be a dad scene.There was literally no reason to try and "surprise" people
First season was pretty good to great in large part because they stuck to the characterization and story beats. People actually liked both protagonists.
In hindsight the filler episode with the gay couple was a red flag because altho it was well reviewed, it was a complete departure from the game that had no significance to driving the plot of the show or any character development; just a wasted episode with unneeded pandering when Ellie's origin story with the young brehette would organically tick that box anyway. They went on to miss the mark trying to weave more LGBT-themed cues in s2 that weren't in the game and it backfired with awkward dialogue and moments for the protagonists.
When the game dropped, regardless of ppl being butt-hurt by the white savor dying, nobody actually had a dislike for Ellie. Hell, most were mad the game forced us to play as Abbey immediately after, as they wanted to switch back to Ellie right away to butcher ol girl /the real darth sith lord
In game, the dinosaur/space museum was one of the most touching/sentimental scenes that further cemented Ellie as the goat proxy daughter. I mentioned before there was no barging in on Ellie having sex on her bday nor Eugene getting shot by Joel/Ellie gaslighting him in front of the widow; those were show addons that essentially ruined everything the musuem scene was set to accomplish.
Also, in regards to Abbey
Issac saying Abbey is the real leader of the town and they'll be lost without her...? For starters: what the fukk? and secondly, if you gon add something like that for the show, that's something you show in actions, and not just say as a throw-in line after we ain't seen ol girl since she killed everyone's favorite white man 4-5 eps ago.
However now that I think about it how Ellie first reacted to it, she basically called dina a burden to her face coming to the murder sleepover pregnant af in the game. I see they removed all of Ellie's im Joel now moments from the game for no reason.
So basically they are gonna have to course change and overshoot whatever it is they are going for to fix Ellie in two seasons for the stupid revenge is bad M'kay theme the game had to land on the show.
Also why did they remove the ambiguity of the cure? It feels like they wanted to change everything they got laughed at for or wanted to clear shyt up to make the Joel death land better and basically ruined the season. Also bella Ramsey has no acting range and Abby was a miscast.
The other was the flashback scene where Joel barged in on 17 yr old Ellie and that one chick/Kat. Never happened in the game, but in the show after kicking Kat out the room/house Joel is basically disgusted and makes a comment like "oh you in here experimenting with girls now too?
"Of course Ellie becomes irate and it leads to her wanting to move to the basement. Basically they wanted to use Joel being homophobic/insensitive to get us on Ellie's side.
EzekelRAGE
Superstar
Ehh, I saw that as more about the growth or w/e Joel had shown and put more sauce or w/e on the scene when he pushed Seth at the dance for being homophobic.
I guess you could toss the Joel thinking Ellie and Jesse were flirting or w/e on that pile too if you wanted
@Theodoresolderbreh you made a great point regarding the cure ambiguity. i'll say that, in the game, bc the fireflies did not tell Ellie (or Joel) that the procedure would kill her (basically they didn't ask for consent and were going to proceed with the surgery, that in itself causes an ethical dilemma that doesn't paint the fireflies in a great light. Tho in the game they also made it a bit more ambiguous about whether a cure could work, whereas in the show they all but say it was futile
So to me i felt like if they were going to take certain liberties with the show with the cure, then they should've followed through and had Joel bring that up in s2. Actually drive some thoughtfulness and discussion
So to me i felt like if they were going to take certain liberties with the show with the cure, then they should've followed through and had Joel bring that up in s2. Actually drive some thoughtfulness and discussion
EzekelRAGE
Superstar
What you mean? You mean the ambiguousness was futile or the cure itself?
Theodoresolderbreh
No Shorts No Malarkey
yup i memory holed thatThe other was the flashback scene where Joel barged in on 17 yr old Ellie and that one chick/Kat. Never happened in the game, but in the show after kicking Kat out the room/house Joel is basically disgusted and makes a comment like "oh you in here experimenting with girls now too?
Of course Ellie becomes irate and it leads to her wanting to move to the basement. Basically they wanted to use Joel being homophobic/insensitive to get us on Ellie's side.
. damn neil really wanted people to say fukk this nikka looking at all the changes in a vacuum
He really thought they could wing this shyt and it shows, especially in season 2.
HBO gotta be heated at this bullshyt, now they gotta hope the second most controversial part of the game can actually be a good hook after a season that plummeted 55%.
The cure working is, in my opinion, the key to the entire Last of Us story. There's no moral dilemma without a workable cure.
yup i memory holed that
Exactly
It’s just unnecessary storytelling deviations that don’t add value but chip it away
We don’t need Joel to act like a homophobe and get “humbled” in order for him to “learn from it” by punching out the drunk guy at the party. And if you are going to add that, don’t have it be part of a string of new additions that makes the main protagonist (Ellie) look an insufferable bytch by the end of it all
Any singular instance is passable (we’re just focusing on a couple of the lgbt themed ones) but they went out their way to make her unlikely, clueless and a liability, going back to that previous article.
Just stupid writing
It really isn't. In fact, the ambiguity is what allows the moral dilemma to thrive. The possibilities of the cure not being possible, or even that the Fireflies can't make a vaccine and distribute it, make it more of a discussion.
The fact of the matter was never the cure. As a parent, what would you do? It boils down to family values, as many of the high moments of the first game do. The reason such a simple story got elevated to such highs is because of the relationship between Joel and Ellie.
And that's also why the second game is so divisive, they broke up a generational duo for shock value.
Nope.It really isn't. In fact, the ambiguity is what allows the moral dilemma to thrive. The possibilities of the cure not being possible, or even that the Fireflies can't make a vaccine and distribute it, make it more of a discussion.
The fact of the matter was never the cure. As a parent, what would you do? It boils down to family values, as many of the high moments of the first game do. The reason such a simple story got elevated to such highs is because of the relationship between Joel and Ellie.
And that's also why the second game is so divisive, they broke up a generational duo for shock value.
The entire moral dilemma of The Last of Us (well, at least the first game) is choosing whether to save your "world" (the girl that you view as a "daughter") or save the actual world (a workable cure).
Obviously, most people (especially parents) would choose to save their "daughter", but there are consequences to that decision (and that's more of what the second game delves into).
That's what I'm saying.
It doesn't really matter if the cure is as viable as the fireflies think it is. The fact it's plausible enough for them to scoop Ellie's brain out is what triggers the dilemma. And once the cat's out of the bag... Let's just say Abby wasn't happy with the choice Joel made.
It's stronger when it's ambiguous because, in Joel's mind, it didn't even matter. He's saving Ellie every time.
EzekelRAGE
Superstar
Am I wrong or didnt they basically say the cure was guaranteed to work in the show with the flashback?That's what I'm saying.
It doesn't really matter if the cure is as viable as the fireflies think it is. The fact it's plausible enough for them to scoop Ellie's brain out is what triggers the dilemma. And once the cat's out of the bag... Let's just say Abby wasn't happy with the choice Joel made.
It's stronger when it's ambiguous because, in Joel's mind, it didn't even matter. He's saving Ellie every time.
