Fact is historically there hasn't been a player that has consistently this amount of impact on a franchise. Not even MJ's bulls who won 55 games without him & were a couple of bad calls away from an ECF date with the Pacers.
An (in the words of LBJ detractors) "all-time stacked" team that made 4 finals in a row & added Deng, Whiteside and Dragic shouldn't be missing the playoffs in the fukking East.
LeBreh is lucky to have such dedicated teammates 


LBJ would perennially come up short until Dwade taught him how to win.They're 2-9 without LeBron. Sure, he has help but he's not exactly playing with the 86 Celtics. Kyrie, Love, JR & co were career losers before Bron taught them how to win.

That 2010 Cavs team wasn't half bad. Varejao, Ilgauskas, Gibson, and Delonte coming off the bench? Prime Wade could've possibly taken that team to the Finals. Iono if he'd won the ship, but he could've definitely torched those Celtics(he did it in the 1st round playing alongside scrubs) and gotten to the Finals.
2010 Cavs:
C Shaquille O'Neal
PF Antawn Jamison
SF LeBron James
SG Anthony Parker
PG Mo Williams
Bench: Delonte West, Anderson Varejao, Jamario Moon, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Daniel Gibson, Leon Powe, and Jawad Williams
2011 Cavs:
C JJ Hickson
PF Antawn Jamison
SF Alonzo Gee
SG Anthony Parker
PG Ramon Sessions
Bench: Daniel Gibson, Manny Harris, Luke Harangody, Christian Eyeanga, Joey Graham, Ryan Hollins, with Anderson Varejao on IR
Not the same team at all. Only 5 players remained from the previous season.

We blew out Cleveland twice, and Cleveland smacked us twice. But the two times Cleveland smacked us, Wade wasn't playing. I wouldn't be surprised if Miami won 50 next year. But this thread isn't about us.Bosh caught the lung issue as soon as the Dragic trade happened. He never got to play with him. Everyone knows they had the worst pG situation in the league.
Dragic
Wade
Deng
Bosh
Whiteside
no team in the East wanted to see them
IRVING AND LOVE TOGETHER ALONE WOULDA WON AT LEAST 48 IN THE EAST2014 Heat = finals appearance
2015 Heat = missed playoffs
2014 Cavs = missed the playoffs
2015 Cavs = finals appearance/possible championship
its just a coincidence tho right![]()
THE HEAT WAS A 6TH SEED WHEN BOSH WENT DOWN BROBRO

they were also 7-8 games below .500![]()
Technically Wade sent Detroit to the Shadow Realms first. LeBron just finished them off. LBJ was the bus driver that took them to the Shadow Realms. But Wade's 2006 ECF performance laid the groundwork for LBJ to finish the new look Bad Boys off for good in 2007.Breh sent Chicago, Detroit and Boston to the shadow realms
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Bron better than Kobe tho![]()
STILL A PLAYOFF TEAM IN THE EAST
AND IRVING+LOVE IN THE EAST = A PLAYOFF TEAM AS WELL
SO UR LOGIC FAILS
