The Liberal Tears When Hillary Starts Implementing Her Policies :banderas:

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since the country is only getting more liberal it looks like (atleast taking this board as a small example) the new thing will be to call everyone a neocon/neoliberal who doesnt agree with you


the movement couldnt even get out and vote in the prophet bernie against a historically unlikeable candidate. i'll wait for them to get off the couch and make some moves in the midterms before we start talking about them actually getting a presidency
Hillary isn't unlikable to the older Democratic base though. The thing hindering progressives isn't apathy that's just spin, its money. Bernie gave the blueprint and its moving to others. The deal is will the power brokers of the party squash them like Bill did in the 90s to play to conservatives or will they accept that peolle are getting tired of them being conservatives who aren't idiots socially. Like you said we'll see.
 

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Hillary isn't unlikable to the older Democratic base though. The thing hindering progressives isn't apathy that's just spin, its money. Bernie gave the blueprint and its moving to others. The deal is will the power brokers of the party squash them like Bill did in the 90s to play to conservatives or will they accept that peolle are getting tired of them being conservatives who aren't idiots socially. Like you said we'll see.
im sure they will embrace them this time. and at this point i dont think money is as important as it was years ago. with the way media and social media is, its much easier to get your message out there. the money is just a cherry on top.

bernie got the money for himself because people agreed with his message. the same will go for others who utilize social media properly. he's actually made it incredibly easy for anybody progressive and interested in a political career, just piggyback bernies wave. he did half the work for them already. its up to people to go and actually vote for them.

but im just eating off the conservative party dying, i'll get into squabbling about how liberal somebody is next election when it'll probably be more relevant :yeshrug:
 

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Not all populist movements want the same end results. Trump movement is base on white nationalism and feels threatened by liberals, cultural change and immigrants, they feel like this is the source of their problems. they do not look at the wealthy businessman in middle america as the enemy. Bernie movement is basically socialism, and wants to expand government and healthcare, more than obama ever could, they look at wall street and the banks as the source of their problems. Their not threaten by immigrants, minorities and cultural change in fact they promote it. These movements cannot be combined since their opposite extremes. The Demographics in this country is changing, no one will ever elected with a tough on immigration platform. George Bush did well with hispanics and got elected twice, because he was not tough on immigration.

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100% truth. The alt-right and the far left are ideologically polar opposites.:jbhmm: But then again one Bernie supporters have said they will be voting for Trump, politics do make strange bedfellows :sas1:
 

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im sure they will embrace them this time. and at this point i dont think money is as important as it was years ago. with the way media and social media is, its much easier to get your message out there. the money is just a cherry on top.

bernie got the money for himself because people agreed with his message. the same will go for others who utilize social media properly. he's actually made it incredibly easy for anybody progressive and interested in a political career, just piggyback bernies wave. he did half the work for them already. its up to people to go and actually vote for them.

but im just eating off the conservative party dying, i'll get into squabbling about how liberal somebody is next election when it'll probably be more relevant :yeshrug:
There's progressive risings happening all over the world because of what's been going down for 30 years. And it's not just because people can't adjust to a service economy or globalism. They're starting to slowly see through things. Even if they're placing blame at the wrong things like Trump supporters and Brexit they known something is not right. Bernie drew in more than just left wingers too.

All I'm saying is if the Dems want to be on the right side of things they better play ball and pop that Washington bubble before its too late.
 
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I see that Tim Kaine regulation attack line is still alive and well. It's a shame so many people failed to understand he was talking about tailored regulation, regulation against banks using their own internal models for capital strength, liquidity reporting frequency and changing the reporting from daily (wasteful regulation, not as accurate, and more burdensome on community banks) to monthly (offers a more accurate look). That whole line comes from people not understanding what he said in those 2 letters.
 

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I see that Tim Kaine regulation attack line is still alive and well. It's a shame so many people failed to understand he was talking about tailored regulation, regulation against banks using their own internal models for capital strength, liquidity reporting frequency and changing the reporting from daily (wasteful regulation, not as accurate, and more burdensome on community banks) to monthly (offers a more accurate look). That whole line comes from people not understanding what he said in those 2 letters.

I get it. It's the optics of saying "theyre removing bank regulations!" that the average person will see.


And my op is irony or sarcasm anyways.
 

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Kasich has never supported Trump, and he also has seemed to have escaped the wrath of Trump supporters

He would easily be their best bet for 2020

The question is whether he can get the nomination in the first place
There is no question. He can't get the nomination without supporting Trump and acquiring his base.

Cruz followers will stay with Ted.

Rubio and Jeb followers are one in the same and decided to join Ted Cruz during the primaries.

Trump followers will stay with Trump.

Nobody but white Ohio republicans like Kasich or his policies.
 

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This is an outdated way of thinking. The Trump candidacy has proven that there are other ways to attack Hillary from both the right and the left. A Republican candidate may better serve the party by being economically liberal (fair trade, progressive taxation, minimum wage), but socially conservative (tougher immigration laws, morals, cops).

Imagine a John Kasich type who takes a hard line on immigration.

Then that candidate wouldn't be republican.

They would be *drumroll* conservative blue dog democrats :krs:

In other words, a candidate able to unite the Trump and Sanders camps into one populist ball of outrage could win in 2020.

Why would progressives who want universal healthcare, an end to law-and-order criminal justice, increased taxes for the 1%, increased funding in infrastructure, reverse in citizens united, and reduced militarism unite with Trump :russell:
 

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The comment I made about the supreme court pick is the one dude on her list. Thats his accomplishmentds. Indian guy, forget his name but goes by Sri.

Where's this idea of neocon Justices coming from?

Topping the list, insiders say, is Garland.

He’s an obvious choice, having already completed the background checks from the FBI and the American Bar Association to be a Supreme Court nominee; that process can take up to four months.

Garland already serves on the powerful D.C. appeals court, and personally knows some of the other members of the Supreme Court, including Chief Justice John Roberts.

And while Republicans have refused to consider Garland’s nomination this year, saying the court vacancy should be filled by the next president, many have spoken highly of his qualifications, giving him a good chance at being confirmed.

Other top contenders for a Clinton appointment would be Sri Srinivasan, a judge on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals and Jane Kelly, a judge on the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals. The Obama White House reportedly considered both judges this year before the president nominated Garland.

Srinivasan would be the first Indian-American and Hindu to serve on the court, but his nomination could face resistance from the left due to his past work representing corporate clients.

While an attorney for O’Melveny & Myers, Srinivasan reportedly defended ExxonMobil and mining giant Rio Tinto against allegations of human rights abuses in Indonesia and Papua New Guinea.

Paul Watford, an African American judge on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is also being mentioned as a potential Clinton nominee, along with Jacqueline Nguyen, a Vietnamese-American judge on the same court.

In a blog post after Justice Antonin Scalia’s death in February, Tom Goldstein, the publisher of SCOTUSblog, called Watford the “most likely nominee.”

Not only was the Southern Californian recently vetted for his current position, Goldstein said the Senate confirmed him in 2012 by a vote of 61-34 — a filibuster-proof majority, though the balance of votes in the Senate will almost certainly change in 2017.

Insiders name Goodwin Liu, an Asian-American judge on the California Supreme Court as another possibility. Liu, whose nomination to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals was blocked by Republicans in 2010, is a former UC Berkeley Law School professor who has a history of advocating for equal rights.

Mariano Florentino Cuéllar, of the same court is considered in the mix, along with his wife Lucy Koh, a judge on the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, who was recently nominated to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.

Koh is the first Asian American United States district court judge in the Northern District of California, and best-known for presiding over high-profile tech cases, including a patent feud between Apple and Samsung over design ideas for the iPhone and iPad.

Patricia Ann Millet is another D.C. Circuit court judge often mentioned by insiders. The former appellate lawyer, who worked for 11 years as an assistant in the Office of the Solicitor General, has argued 32 cases before the Supreme Court.

Rounding out the list of potential nominees are two names from Congress: Sens. Amy Klobuchar(D-Minn.) and Corey Booker (D-N.J.).

Booker has a law degree from Yale Law School, while Klobuchar is a former prosecutor.

http://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/289643-clintons-court-shortlist-emerges
 
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